no things are not so bad at bd's place I'am getting food or anything like that out of the trash.I got a sample of tip overlays matiral looking very much like the original 1957 Kodiak tip overlay matiral,but its about 50 times stronger.Nope I did not toss the tip overlay matiral in the trash,I'll show you some pics once I get the OK from the manufacture.But here's the pisser,I can not find the fed-X envolope it was shipped in to thank the manufacture for the samples and to say how great I thought it looked and it was tougher then nails.So I dug thru the damn trash and still can not find it.I really like this stuff and wanted to thank you....bowdoc