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Offline seboomook

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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2009, 12:02:00 AM »
Okay, here's one for comparison.
'59  66 inch x 40 lb. ser.# XE403L no underlays
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Offline Wade Phillips

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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2009, 12:46:00 AM »
OK, This is a start. Let's hear from everyone who has a 59 Kodiak Special, any length, with or without underlays. Post your data and we will incorporate it into this list to see if there is a pattern...

Haven't seen any 62" or 70" with underlays...

BowDoc - Help us out here with 59 KS data...

1959 62", 50# - VA467L - no underlays - Wade
1959 62", 50# - VA558L - no underlays - Trap
1959 62", 55# - VA612L - no underlays - Wade

1959 64", 52# - WA139  - underlays    - Wade
1959 64", 48# - WB504  - underlays    - Trap
1959 64", 28# - WB934  - underlays    - Bill
1959 64", 47# - WC365L - no underlays - Wade

1959 66", 28# - XA844  - underlays    - Wade
1959 66", 40# - XE403L - no underlays - seboomook

1959 68", 45# - YA367  - underlays    - Wade
1959 68", 38# - YB965  - no underlays - Wade

1959 70", 38# - XF096  - no underlays - Wade
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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2009, 12:49:00 AM »
1959 64" 48# WB504 underlays
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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2009, 10:27:00 AM »
1959 64", 28# - WB934 - underlays - Bill
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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2009, 11:33:00 AM »
Wow, I just love reading this stuff. you guys sure are a wealth of info. Keep up the good stuff.
thanks for your willingness to share.
Mickey
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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2009, 12:09:00 PM »
Here's mine

1959 64", 53# - WC061 - no underlays - Jeremy
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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2009, 12:09:00 PM »
1959 Kodiak Specials in my collection....


VA 228 62" 46#
17HX12 62" 40-45#
WC020 64" 45#    has black underlays
XF877R 66" 40#
XF090 66" 39#    has brown and white overlays
YB499A 68" 32#
ZA110 70" 40#    has black underlays

 
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Offline Wade Phillips

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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2009, 12:21:00 PM »
Chuck - Thanks so much for posting the photograph and specs of your 1959 Kodiak Specials... impressive bows.

Equally impressive is the information in the numbers on the bows...

Just as I suspected for the 70" the "Z" was used as the designation...

Will get your data incorporated into the list here shortly....
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Offline d. ward

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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2009, 12:30:00 PM »
Yes I did kind of make up the serial number off a broken 1959 so X may have been incorrect.Yes you are also correct about the underlays.One was missing completely and the other was raised a bit and we agreed to remove the other rather then try and match the new one.bd
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Offline Wade Phillips

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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2009, 01:18:00 PM »
Doc - I'm cool with the made up serial number on the 70". If I complained, you'd probably just tell me to scrap it off with my pocket knife and re-letter it with a crayon. - Just joking...

It is actually my fault about the serial number as I should have dug around to find out a real number. Problem was back then, I didn't know anyone with another 70". There weren't many idiots trying to complete a collection of every length of the Kodiak Specials for any year.  

Actually it is also my fault for the underlays not being replaced. If I hadn't been such a penny pincher at the time, I would have paid you to do the work, it would have the underlays and we wouldn't be trying to recall the past. Glad you remembered about the one underlay being missing. I will have to re-record that 70" on the list.

I promise never to send you such a messed up bow again... unless of course it is a Christmas present.
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Offline Wade Phillips

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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2009, 01:51:00 PM »
OK guys....

We now have 25... so looks like some trends are beginning to show up... but this sample size is way too small for two variations of 5 different lengths of bows or 10 possible combinations...

Lets get some more added to this list... for all lengths.... For some lengths we have recorded only one example for a specific characteristic and for 70" we have not recorded any that did not originally have underlays...


1959 62", 59# - VA105 - underlays - BowDoc
1959 62", 46# - VA 228 - no underlays - Chuck
1959 62", 50# - VA467L - no underlays - Wade
1959 62", 50# - VA558L - no underlays - Trap
1959 62", 55# - VA612L - no underlays - Wade
1959 62", 40-45# - 17HX12 - no underlays - Chuck

1959 64", 52# - WA139 - underlays - Wade
1959 64", 52# - WA749 - underlays - BowDoc
1959 64", 48# - WB504 - underlays - Trap
1959 64", 28# - WB934 - underlays - Bill
1959 64", 45#  - WC020 - underlays - Chuck
1959 64", 53# - WC061 - no underlays - Jeremy
1959 64", 47# - WC365L - no underlays – Wade
1959 64", 50# - ?????? - no underlays – Wade

1959 66", 28# - XA844 - underlays - Wade
1959 66", 40# - XE403L - no underlays - seboomook
1959 66", 39# - XF090 – no underlays - Chuck
1959 66", 40# - XF877R - no underlays - Chuck

1959 68", 45# - YA367 - underlays - Wade
1959 68", 39# - YA456 - underlays - 2-26-08 Auction
1959 68”, 32# - YB499A - no underlays – Chuck
1959 68", 47# - YB626L - no underlays - Jeff
1959 68", 38# - YB965 - no underlays - Wade

1959 70", 40# - ZA110 - underlays - Chuck
1959 70", 38# - ?????? - underlays removed - Wade

On 1959 Kodiak Specials, factory underlays are a layer of black marcata that was added to the belly side of the last 4" of the limb tips of some bows as shown below. The term, "underlays", is collector jargon to describe this cosmetic feature in a single word. The purpose of this list is to determine the order and frequency of this feature.

               
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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2009, 05:05:00 PM »
wow thats a lot-a 1959 Kodiak Specials..bd
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Offline Horney Toad

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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2009, 07:26:00 PM »
What is the underlay? Please explain.
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Offline Novaln1975

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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2009, 08:15:00 PM »
On a auction site, there is a K Special

1959 68", 39# - YA456 - underlays - *Bay 300296899825

-Simon
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Offline Wade Phillips

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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2009, 10:23:00 PM »
Doc - Yes, that is a lot of 1959 Kodiak Specials. Hopefully we can double that number in a few days.

Jeff - Good question. Added a photograph and an explanation to clarify "underlays" to the above list of 1959 Kodiak Specials. Got any to add to the list ???

Simon - Thanks for the heads up on the auction. Just added it to the above list.

OK guys, now that everyone knows what underlays are, lets check those 1959 Kodiak Specials and post the data on this thread...
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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2009, 11:30:00 PM »
Thanks Wade, you taught me something new.

Mine is a 1959, YB626, 68", 47# L no underlay
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Offline Wade Phillips

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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2009, 11:44:00 PM »
Jeff - The real thanks for you learning something new should go to BowDoc for starting this thread and to Trap for asking the question.

Not having a definitive answer to Trap's question, the only logical thing to do was ask the question to everyone and record the data.

Trust me Jeff, I have probably learned more from this thread than anyone who has read it...

I believe when we begin to analyze this list, we will all learn far more than any of us originally expected...

Got the data for your bow recorded on the edited list posted above...
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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2009, 08:03:00 AM »
One more thing booth the 59's here have black and white fiberglass tip overlays already done by Val.I would suggest to anyone wanting to shoot your 1959 Kodiak Special you should redo the original factory paper tip overlays.
OK now that we are looking at all these 1959 KS here's a little info I could use from you guy's and has nothing to do with the serial numbers.
Along the edges of the corewood just above or below the riser fadeouts its very common to see small cracks in the corewood.They are normally only in 1 of the 2-3 layers of corewood.Sometimes they are a bit hard to see.
Any chance you boy's would be willing to let me know how many if any of your 59 KS have these edge cracks...thanks dudes you all rock.Here's a pic of the back of the 1959 Kodiak Special 64" 52#..bd    
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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2009, 09:59:00 AM »
Wade, you missed mine in your list  :)

 
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1959 64", 53# - WC061 - no underlays - Jeremy
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Re: Val's 1959 Kodiak Special 62"
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2009, 11:09:00 AM »
here's another 1959 Kodiak Special that's listed on gbay right now YA456 68" 39#...
I've been shooting the crap out of Vals 1959 64" 52#er keeping an eye on those edge cracks of which they have not gotten and worse and still look the same after 300-400 arrows.
I will say one thing (again) that 64" 59 is by no means smoken fast no way.
I was actually thinking a guy with good fast reflexes might even catch the arrow its so slow..But let me say this that is one nail driven bow right there.52# is just perfect draw weight for me and the 64" is super super smooth to draw and shoot.What a great bow...bd
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