By the way fellows, The shelf and handle modifications on my bows was done by me. Bowdoc refinished and cleaned them up for me. I talked to him Saturday and he threatened my life (he's kinda little so I wasn't scared) but he doesn't do this work and it would cost a ton if he did. Get yourself a coping saw and four-in-hand rasp and go to it, but remember, once its gone it's gone. I've been shooting this way a long, long time but I can't and don't recommend it to anyone. It was just a kid's fantasy that became a "method" and it has little to promote it as a "bettter" way. Your bow will lose much of its value if you decide to do these alterations. I never sell a bow, and if you plan to, don't do it. Grant