Terry, you da man, to admit you missed twice, with photographic proof!!! Were you shooting from a tree stand? If so, do a little experiment for your ole buddy KsBow. Get in a stand or elevated platform to shoot from and shoot two arrows. On the first stand erect, straight up-On the second shot bend at the waist and lean into your shot, really "get down" on your target. Then let us know the result on this thread. Most high shot, with trad gear anyway, are a result of not bending at the waist. Ralph