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Offline Wade Phillips

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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2009, 12:09:00 AM »
Bernie - Sweet looking bows.

That is a super Dogleg. Heck, I would even trade you that poster you want of the Bear Hunter for that Dogleg.     :saywhat:
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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2009, 11:14:00 AM »
Thanks Wade,

I MIGHT think about that trade if it included the bow used to kill the bear in the pic.

Now that I look at it, I should re-take that photo with just the '60 Razorheads--the '64s are too high tech for the photo...duh.


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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2009, 11:41:00 AM »
Bernie - I was joking about the trade.

Besides, I don't have that Grizzly in the photograph with the Bear Hunter. However, I do have his  1959 Kodiak that is in the photograph of him with his 1961 Bear. That is a great photograph too.
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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2009, 12:25:00 PM »
See...good thing you were joking, because I didn't go back and look up that thread to be sure and I was actually thinking about the '59 K and the '61 bear!

Anyway, back to the topic--I know the thread is about the 'leather grip' years, but I still can't bring myself to put the leather grip back on my '59-those bowyers just did a fantastic job with the wood...basically we were getting almost-custom bows:

 

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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2009, 05:23:00 PM »
Most collectors I know of are primarily focused on Kodiaks-me too. I also collect Grizzlies, from 1949 to 1963 they tracked the more expensive Kodiaks on a year by year basis-sometimes very closely.
Here are two 1963 Grizzlies
 

You'll notice one of them is a Greyhound while the other is a Husky.

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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2009, 06:45:00 PM »
Bjorn - Nice Doglegs... Greyhound and Husky are catchy names...

In an effort to try to give them a descriptive name to assist collectors to identify these two bows, I have been calling them Angled Dogleg and Curved Dogleg. There are probably better names that could be used.

We should try to come up with a brief description that will aid collectors in identifying them.

Any ideas ???
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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2009, 08:13:00 PM »
OK. In the meantime I'll post pics and descriptions of '55 and '56 Grizzlies.
Be back in a flash!

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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2009, 08:33:00 PM »
The '55 and '56 Grizzlies were both R/L shooters just like the corresponding Kodiaks.
 
The lower bow is the '56
The same bows again but showing the sticker on the '55 and the silk screen on the '56
 
The underlay of the '55 Grizzly really sets the two bows apart
 
And no story is complete without a pic of the tips.
 
The lower bow is the 1955 model.
Both risers are made of hard rock Maple, black glass limbs, and the tiny tips.

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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2009, 09:12:00 PM »
Nice '63s Bjorn!  I am glad I'm not the oddball with the brown leather grip too.

Husky is definitely appropriate.

Bernie

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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2009, 10:28:00 PM »
Sorry guys and gals........my mind is on my Elk hunt coming up in a coupla' days. Wade pointed out the infraction, the bows in the pics are a '55 and '57. The '55 and '56 are identical except for the stickers  ('55) and silkscreen ('56).
As a consolation let me show off my fav 1959 Grizzly which has a really wild Bubinga sight window and a butcher block riser. A correct coin has since replaced the one in the pic.
 
I refinished the bow using Tru Oil. It is 52#@28 and shoots awesome.

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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2009, 11:36:00 AM »
Great thread, learning a lot here.
This is a '49-'50 alumilam grizzly with a wound on leather grip.
Is it a later replacement, or possibly original?

 

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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2009, 12:13:00 PM »
Bjorn, that butcher block '59 is a beauty!!
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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2009, 12:33:00 PM »
The profile of a '57 Grizz
   
   
Side view of the tips - notice the extra tapered lamination to stiffen the tips up.
   

And the '58 Grizzly (second up from the bottom)
   
   
The '58 catalog (the reprint I have anyway) shows a wedge sightwindow, but all the '58 Grizzlies I've seen have the same sightwindow cutout as the '58 Kodiak.  Has anyone seen a wedged window, or was that just from one of the first '58 Grizz proptypes?
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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2009, 01:04:00 PM »
seboomook - Nice looking 49-50 Grizzly.

From the photograph, the grip looks like a tennis wrap leather grip to me.

Although I have never seen any Bear documentation showing the tennis wrap grip, I have seen a few other 49-50 Bear bows with a tennis wrap grip.

I have a 1950 Kodiak K-2 with a red tennis wrap grip. K-2 was a 62" Kodiak, which I have never found in any Bear advertisement for 1950. The grip is not in real good shape. It has probably been on the bow since 1950, but I can not say for sure that it is original to the bow. Have also seen one other that has the same red tennis wrap grip, so it makes me wonder even more.

A real close look sometimes reveals some evidence of a previous grip, a glue line, lighter or darker wood, finish missing, etc.

Looking at a 49-50 Grizzly with a normal grip will give you a good idea about where to look for evidence of a previous grip that may have been on your bow.

Sometimes, it is just hard to tell if a grip is original to a bow. If the original grip was shot, the tennis wrap is an easier replacement for most bowmen than the normal 1949-50 Grizzly grip. There is a  possibility that the bow was refinished in the early 1950s, by someone other than Bear, and all the evidence of an earlier grip was removed during refinishing. There is always the possibility of the lunch box special, or the special order or special favor for an eccentric customer who just has to have that tennis wrap on their bow. Lots of possible explanations.

Unless we find some documented evidence from the 1949-50 era, we may never know if the 1949-1950 tennis wrap grips were put on by Bear.
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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2009, 01:40:00 PM »
Yes Wade, a closer look with the magnifier (thanks for that tip), shows a faint glue line above the serial number. Learning new  terminology also, tennis wrap grip is much more descriptive.

Jeremy, all both (lol) of the '58s I've seen have the rounded site window. I'm guessing there was a transition wedge window from '57 like the Kodiaks?

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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2009, 11:13:00 PM »
seboomook - Your description of "wound on leather grip" is certainly accurate. Guess I always called it a tennis wrap grip because that is what I have seen on tennis rackets, I'm not even a tennis player so wouldn't be surprised to learn there are many different wraps in tennis racket handles...
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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2009, 12:20:00 AM »
Jeremy & seboomook -

Yes the 1958 Bear Catalog images of bows are "Non-Typical" from what is normally found by collectors... Boy, an entire book could probably be written about the 1958 Catalogs vs. the bows that were actually made... There are two different 1958 Catalogs (just found this out recently, who knows there may be more then two) and both known versions show the three bows, Kodiak Special, Kodiak and Grizzly the same from what I have been able to determine...

However, the images of these three bows in the catalogs are very different than the bows we collectors normally find for 1958...

Confusing.... YES !!! ... Oh, YES, but that is part of what makes collecting these old Bears so much fun, discovering the previously undocumented variations and inconsistencies... "Going where no man has ever gone before"... The continual Learning experience of collecting and the joy of sharing the information with others who have  similar interests, and each bit of additional information building on the foundation of the previous bit of documented information... truly an "on going eduction" for all...

The 1958 Grizzly on page 7 has a wedge sight window, but we accept the rounded sight window as being the "Typical" 1958 Grizzly.

While most are "Typical", at least one "Non-Typical" was made and featured in the 1958 Catalog...

If anyone has a "Non-Typical" 1958 Grizzly as shown in the 1958 Catalog, please post photographs of it both un-strung and strung...
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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2009, 09:32:00 PM »
What a great thread   :clapper:     :clapper:

Thanks for the ID Guide fellas and the eye candy is "all good" also.

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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2009, 10:17:00 PM »
Holy Dogleg Batman, this Husky wasn't inexpensive... 280390719682

The Greyhound a few days ago, 170374484224, was a c-note less.
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Re: Bear Grizzly Identification Guide 1949-1969
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2009, 12:24:00 AM »
Here is a old 1959 Bear Grizz.. it said 62" but some one cut it down to 58"

   

   

   

   

   
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