heavyweight Bear bows let see them

[Wade Phillips]

Virgil - I hope there is some way that you can find to forgive my ignorance in mistaking a Frenchman for an Englishman. I do sincerely apologize for my incompetence. The building in your photograph, looked European to me, and my thoughts immediately turned to England.

Yes, François d’Elbée, is pictured in chapter 15 of Negley's book. Frankly, from the photographs in the book of him in field hunting clothing, I would have never recognized him as being the same person in your photograph, but the resemblance is easily recognized after comparing the images.

I understand now, your keen interest in Negley and the connection to your countryman, François d’Elbée.

Has François d’Elbée ever wrote of his experiences as a PH, or of guiding Negley?

[virgil.v]

Originally posted by Wade Phillips:
Virgil - "I hope there is some way that you can find to forgive my ignorance in mistaking a Frenchman for an Englishman. I do sincerely apologize for my incompetence. The building in your photograph, looked European to me, and my thoughts immediately turned to England. "
"Has François d’Elbée ever wrote of his experiences as a PH, or of guiding Negley?"

Confuse an Englishman and Frenchman is not really serious but confused an Englishman and a Scotsman and is the drama.      

I'm searching the article for you and post it here and to your mail if you want a high res copy.

[Falk]

Cody, there is no pic with me shooting that SuperMag. In fact, there are almost no pictures with me shooting or drawing any bow! Thats because I usually do the camera and/or am shooting for myself ...

[virgil.v]

if you want a high-resolution copies of the article give me your mail  

 1957 bet:

  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1080133/1/index.htm  


   

   

   

   

   

   

   

[Wade Phillips]

Virgil - I'm pleased that my mistake in Nationalities did not offend you.

You posted a very nice article about Negley's last elephant hunt. Guess I should say, nice photographs, because I sure can't read a single word in the French language (actually I can't read all that many in the English language either).

I watched the footage of Negley's elephant hunts several times over the past few days. Boy, Negley is sure pictured with several different bows in all that footage and the book. Hard to keep track of it all but I am trying to get it documented properly between the book and the film footage. Challenging for sure.

[virgil.v]

Originally posted by Wade Phillips:

 "(actually I can't read all that many in the English language either). "

I do not know why but I am sure you will be able to read this      :D      

Please tell me that you have the april and may  Eastern Bowman.
I paid 10$ juste for this article but it was real fun to search for it.


   


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[Falk]

I hope Cody isnt uppset if I post the front page of an article written about an Negley African adventure in his strongbow thread? This is out of the German issue of Playboy 07-1981:
   
Even if you should be able to read German, the TG-rules obeying picture width will not allow you to do so, sorry! So ponder over the artistic background and contact me if you should need this article for your archive. It is pretty lame though. But you'll get the cover page of the magazine along with it - for free      
I am not allowed to write the word here at all, but to have a look at the XXXX might be worth the pain with the German language?!

[Cody Roiter]

Falk, Can you send me a copy to my email
[email protected]

Thanks man,

Cody

[Highlandwarrior]

Heres my newly aquired 71# Kodiak     Any ideas as to the age?

[Wade Phillips]

Going through some old photographs on the computer today and happened to find these two from the Bear Museum that I took on 7-14-2001… they show the plaque and Negley’s 102# Kodiak…

The second sentence of the plaque states… “Mr. Negley took an African Bull Elephant with it in 1956 to win a $10,000 bet.”…

Actually the hunt was early 1957, not 1956. And judging from the photographs in Negley’s book at the kill site, and the film footage that Bear released of Negley’s hunt, evidence indicates one of the other 1957 Bear Kodiaks may have been used rather then one with an inscription opposite the shelf side of the riser....

I knew I'd seen this bow and plaque in the Bear Museum, just took a while (11 days since Oct 16, 2001) to find the photographs...

   

   

[Grant Young]

Wade- What was the bow Negley carried on his last hunt in Virgil's "Sports Illustrated spread posting. Looks almost like a Tarter or Temujin. That was a new one for me. I know you know so thanks,  GY

[Wade Phillips]

Grant - Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't know what the bow is that Negley used on his last hunt. I haven't even tried to figure it out. It's not a Bear Kodiak, I will bet on that.

My real interest in the 102# bow was for the bow itself, as opposed to being interested in Negley's later hunt.  

As you can guess from looking at the photographs that I took at the Bear Museum, the 102# Kodiak was securely fastened to the wooden plaque. The bow was in sort of a secure area, in an place that it was not easy to get close to the bow so it could be touched. I asked Frank Scott if I could get close to the bow and try to look down along side the plaque and read the serial number and poundage of the bow.

Frank said sure, but the shelf side and the serial number was so close to the plaque that I did not have room to look at the serial number. I had a small mirror with me (just for this purpose as I was thinking ahead for once, actaully I'd already tried to read it on a previous trip and could not make out the numbers.) I inserted the mirror along side the wood and slid it in front of the numbers. I still had to jockey around to read the serial number, which turned to out be a bit of a disappointment.

I thought that my 100# 1957 Kodiak might be a sequentially numbered bow to Negley's 102#, indicating it was made in the same batch with Negley's 96# and 102#, which would have been pretty cool. As it turned out they were not sequentially numbered.

This episode only proves again, just how crazy collectors can be.

[newell38]

highland, that bow is a late 80s/early 90s....good shooter

[Highlandwarrior]

thanks newell, I've got an 83# K-mag I'll be getting in afew weeks. I like the old bows but can't pass up good deals on heavy bows of any year

[Grant Young]

Thanks for the reply Wade. I couldn't help wondering. Like you, all I knew for sure was that it wasn't a Kodiak.

[Novaln1975]

Here is the equipment used on Negly’s last elephant hunt. It’s written in French in Virgil’s post.

• 2, 100# Damon Howatts (written Hoywat)

• Easton 20/20 and 20/18 arrows with double interior tubes. (I wonder if that means that the 20/18 was slid inside the 20/20?)

• Schultz and Howard Hill broadheads.

Simon

[Wade Phillips]

Simon,

I'm no expert on Easton arrows, but I believe that both a 20/20 and a 20/18 have the same outside diameter of 20/64ths or 5/16". Doesn't seem likely that the 20/18 was slid inside the 20/20.

I may have to take the Zwickey broadhead and adapter off the Negley arrow that I have to see what is inside if anything... Seems Negley has created all sorts of mysteries for us crazy collectors to try to solve.

[mwmwmb]

cool stuff guys.

[artifaker1]

I just picked up a set of 73lb Chastain limbs for a Bear Grayling Takedown. I can't post pics but they seem to out shoot my 70lb # red tips by leaps and bounds. They almost turn the heaviest spine arrows I have around in the air LOL. All Keith did to make them was to glue on a nice little wedge onto one of his own sets of wapiti limbs and fit them to the Bear riser, pretty cool. One thing interesting about them is there about half the weight of the bear limbs.

[artifaker1]

Ya, I really like his superK replica too Grant, I seen several around town here at different shops. He does stick with the less radical recurve on those superK replica's. But I'm sure they shoot very well, in fact I probably shot one at Bob's. RMSG has at least a couple right now too. One of them is in real low weight, like 27lbs or something.
I'm probably shooting the Chastain/Bear limbs @ close to 80lbs. I have some 100lb+ shafts that are cut down to 30 which with quite a bit of weight up front should fly better than the ones mentioned above. The ones I have shot in it already were cut down about a quarter of an inch (31 3/4) with 400 grains up front to make a arrow a little over 700 grains. These shorter ones I'll have to weight down more, I might have to use a weight tube and a lot up front. I'd like to have them up around 850 or 900 grains. It shoots my really short heavy stump arrows well though.