GOOD TO SEE ANOTHER TRADGANGER IN WA... DO A SEARCH ON the real bowdoc,, if you have one soon to refinish,, he might also have a great starter bow for ya,, WERE GETTIN READY TO GO HUNTIN IN FEW WEEKS, SO SHOOT HIM A PM SOON,, OR IT COULD BE A WHILE BEFORE WERE BACK,,BEST WISHES,,