Today was the first time I clicked on this thread and I started on page 1 and didn't post this until reading bd's post from yesterday. With that being said, I was on Jack's side for the first 5 pages or so, then with all of the info started to ride the fence. Then I seen what bd had done and I jumped as far as I could to Phil's side,lol. That bow is a beauty. I had a factory camo Grizzly that I traded, for a fly rod of all things, that I now wish I would of had a lil bit of paint taken off just to see the wood underneath. The only reason that I got rid of it was because I didn't really like the camo paint, but I didn't know that there was a finished bow underneath the camo paint. Oh well, live and learn right? Congrats on an AWESOME bow to everyone involved in finding this bow from start to finish. BTW I did read the whole thread and I am not trying to start anything with saying "Jack's side and Phil's side", I realize that in the end everyone is on the same side here. Thanks for listening to the rambling, Mike.