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Offline AALLFAB

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56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« on: December 06, 2011, 12:12:00 AM »
280778850297. Since the 56" is being discussed in another thread what about this one on the auction site. I was bidding triple the sale price when my computer froze up and I only had one minute to get my phone bid going and did not make it. I have only seen one butcher block window bow and have never seen a 1960 56" at all and a 1 in 100 lefty on top of that in the AA serial number. Come on experts chime in and educate us all further on the 56" Kodiak topic. Jim

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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 12:28:00 AM »
Jim -

Judging from the dozens of 1960 Kodiaks I have seen and owned over the years, the number of left hand bows is undoubtedly much greater than the 1 in 100 comment in your post.  

1960 Kodiak Butcher Blocks are rare but probably not nearly as rare as you my think.

They were made in all three lengths, 56", 60" and 64" as shown in the photograph below.

Keep looking, it may take a while, but you will find another lefty to bid on...

       
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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2011, 12:51:00 AM »
So what about lefty and butcher block and 56 inch in combination with AA prefix. You have one with holes there as the other I am showing has holes but yours is not a lefty and not an AA prefix like the Maple window 56 inchers in another thread are AA bows. Additionally I got the 1% speculation from Al Reader as his stated to me rule of thumb. Jim

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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 01:10:00 AM »
I had my computer freeze up right in the same set of circumstances too-awful. Anyway on to the 56" bows. The lefthandedness is likely more of an obstacle than anything else to you finding the right bow.
I just looked at my 1960 56" and the AA is likely a common serial number prefix of 1960 56" bows, I forget but others will know.
The bow in question probably went low in price because it was cracked, had a hole, was left handed, and a weight deemed undesirable by most-wow there was a lot bad about that bow!   :bigsmyl:

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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2011, 01:20:00 AM »
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Originally posted by AALLFAB:
... and a 1 in 100 lefty on top of that...
Jim I interpreted your comment as shown above, lefty's are rare but not as rare as 1 in 100 of left hand vs right hand.

And I assumed you were looking for a left hand 1960 Kodiak.

If you simply want to speculate on the rarity of a 1960 Kodiak, with a Butcher Block Sight Window, in 56", left hand, with an AA serial number, I am sorry to say, I have never tried to make that calculation.

When you add in the fact that the bow was under 40# and had a cracked riser, I can easily believe it would be a 1 in 100 or more find.

The two dark spots in the sight window of the 56" RH Butcher Block are not holes, they are small gouges likely caused by someone dropping the bow on a rock or some other extremely rough surface.
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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2011, 01:26:00 AM »
Beautiful bows there Wade; as usual.   :thumbsup:

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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 01:31:00 AM »
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Originally posted by AALLFAB:
... and not an AA prefix like the Maple window 56 inchers in another thread are AA bows....
Jim the only 56" AA Maple Sight Window that I am aware of is the one I have.

I was under the impression that only other 56" Maple Sight Window had a serial number that was not readable.

Have I missed some other 56" MSW Bows in another thread...
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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 01:39:00 AM »
Nice that those are not holes. That photo makes the second 56" 1960 I have seen and now I am up to 4 on the butcher block. Maybe I have seen more butcher block bows but did not notice because the laminations were with the grain. This thread has already furthered my small Bear knowledge by a large margin. Thanks so far guys. Jim

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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 01:42:00 AM »
Bjorn -

Glad you like the Butcher Blocks. The sight window of that 64" looks great in person, and shoots great too. I'm mostly a 60" bow guy.

I looking at the photograph, I have to wonder about my sanity knowing everything I went through to get those three bows. I dove from Omaha to Michigan to pick one up, then went to St. Louis to get another of them.

All collectors are crazy...
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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2011, 01:54:00 AM »
Jim -

You are right about Butcher Blocks. Over the years I have seen some Butcher Blocks on auction that were not identified as such by the seller.

As Bjorn points out the AA would likely be the more common serial number sequence. The 56" bows were not nearly as big of sellers as the 60" nor the 64" that is why so few have surfaced for collectors to find.

As 1960 Kodiaks go, I would have to guess the Wedge Sight Window 1960 Kodiak is rarer then the Butcher Block Sight Window 1960 Kodiak. I say that because I have seen more Butcher Blocks than Wedges.
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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2011, 02:04:00 AM »
"Wedge" sight window? Wade if you get a chance perhaps we could persuade you to post a pic?

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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2011, 02:17:00 AM »
Bjorn -

I'm sure you have seen photographs of the 1957 & 1959 to 1962 Wedge SW Kodiaks.

They were the heavy weight bows made in 64" in 59 and 60, and made in 60" in 61 & 62.

This 1960 is shown with other 1960s for comparison...

The Wedge Sight Window is like the 1954 to 1956 Kodiaks...

   
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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2011, 02:24:00 AM »
Sorry to keep you up so late Wade...........I have seen pics of that particular bow and did not know the name. That is one beautiful bow, and as I recall over 100#? Thanks for the pic Wade.

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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2011, 02:42:00 AM »
Bjorn -

The Wedge SW 1960 in the photograph above is only 90#. But even at only 90#, it is a real piece of lumber with that Rosewood Riser.

Also have two Wedge SW Kodiaks in other years that are 100#, one 80# and two that are 70#.
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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2011, 02:49:00 AM »
"Only 90#"? I'd want to make sure my AARP supplemental insurance was current prior to stringing that baby!

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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2011, 03:28:00 AM »
Even more schooling now. I never knew or noticed different window cuts. Jim

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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2011, 05:12:00 AM »
I love this place no chit I swear it saved me and compared with other things I did when I was a younger man at 2 AM ..... oh yeah this place is a safe haven for old bowhunters bd

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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2011, 07:59:00 AM »
I'll post some good pic's of the bow when I get it,hopefully by the end of the week

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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2011, 10:30:00 AM »
Jim -

Yes, the Wedge Sight Window is a Rare Bow in a 1960 Kodiak, and rarer than a Butcher Block 1960...

However, the rarest Kodiak of all that year is probably the Clear Glass 1960 Kodiak...

Actually, the Clear Glass 1960 Kodiak is a documented bow in the 1960 Catalog.

I'm not referring to the Kodiak Deluxe nor Kodiak Special Deluxe as they were built with different risers. Both are beautiful bows and great shooters.

The 1960 Kodiak Deluxe ranks near the top of the All Time Favorite Vintage Bear Bows.
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Re: 56" 1960 KODIAK BUTCHER AA PREFIX
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2011, 08:05:00 PM »
My butcherblock '60 Kodiak is 60" 50# BJ227. Unfortunately it has seen better days: cracked limb and some bozo installed quiver bushings at the fades!!!!

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