Anyone recognise this bow?

[hardbern]

(can't see how to insert pictures)
3 pics here:  http://archeryduns.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=151958897
Someone suggested a Bear Tamerlane - I don't think so.
I orignally thought it might be a Wing or
Laleham (an old UK bowyer) from the 60's.
It has been retrofitted with the bushings for long rod & v-bar/riser weight & obviously sight is attached in the photos.

[wadde]

Definetly not a Tamerlane, possibly a Howatt Matador from the 60's

[NumPls]

I have not seen a bow like this one before, but this bow is neither a Bear Tamerlane nor a Howatt Matador. This bow is not like any that I have seen made by Bear, Howatt, Hoyt, Wing, Black Widow, Root, ..., although its lines resemble a Tamerlane more than any other bow with which I am familiar. I am not familiar with Laleham. The bow appears to have been made by someone with great skill.

Ray

[bearmagtd]

I think it has the lines of the very late 60's American Archery  Cheetah Supreme.

[raghorn]

hardbern:
here's the link to the thread on the "Computer help" forum:
 http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=129;t=000087
There are other posts on that forum with some other methods of posting pictures.

[hardbern]

Don't think it's an AA Cheetah Supreme.
Someone over here suggested a King of Diamonds
(either by Royal Scots Bows or later Kings of Kelso).
It bears a passing resemblance but ....

[D.Sheppard]

[Rick Enos]

Looks like a Dickie Roberts target bow.Three Rivers Michigan.

[hardbern]

Got any pics of the relevant "Dickie Roberts" bows(s).
I haven't found any apart from the TD2.

Someone else suggested Groves - I can see the similarity - but that's all.

[Jon Stewart]

Herters?

[Rick Enos]

Hardburn,I cant get the computer to post pics. off photo bucket.It says I have to down load something.I've been putting pics on tradgang for years & dont know whats going on.If you E-mail me I can send some pics out of a Kodak file of a couple Dickie Roberts bows.The bow you have looks close but all the Dickies I have have the double recurve limb design.Its a flat erea in the limbs that make them wicked fast.Rick...

[jim g]

My first thought a Dickie Roberts bow.

[NumPls]

I sent the photos of this bow to Fred Carty, who knows more about Dickie Roberts bows than anyone else that I know. Fred does not recognize the bow, so that confirms my suspicions that it is not a Dickie's bow. I have some photos that Fred sent me of a Dickie's bow, and I will try to post them tomorrow. Fred has never seen a Dickie's bow with "horns" on the riser.

Are there some good photos available of a Laleham or other UK bowyers to compare?

Ray

[hardbern]

Originally posted by NumPls:
I sent the photos of this bow to Fred Carty, who knows more about Dickie Roberts bows than anyone else that I know. Fred does not recognize the bow, so that confirms my suspicions that it is not a Dickie's bow. I have some photos that Fred sent me of a Dickie's bow, and I will try to post them tomorrow. Fred has never seen a Dickie's bow with "horns" on the riser.

Are there some good photos available of a Laleham or other UK bowyers to compare?

Ray

I've looked at the Dickie Robert's pics I was sent - it's not the same.
It does bear some resemblance to a "King Of Diamonds" from either Royals Scots Bows or Kings of Kelso (early Border bows), but got the following reply from Border Archery:
 "There were a few bows that were made that were "not" ligitimate designs. Made of the same former but made by staff in thier own time. Sold Direct. This might be why no one can name this bow. If this is one of these bows, then its a King of Diamonds but not a propper bow as such. There was a period where the police were involved in helping clean this act up. I would assume that if this bow doesnt have any details on it, its a bow made in Kings of Kelso factory by the staff, but not a genuine Kings of Kelso or Royal Scots bows. This is before us, and before the previous owner of Border Bows."

I have a Laleham "Crested Flamingo" which is why I bought this -as it looked similar - but different. Will post a photo later.
Here's a Kings of Kelso King of Diamonds:
 

I also thought it looked like a Wing Presentation I or poss even a White Wing.
....I wondered if George Birnie influenced/was influenced by them as he later was reponsible for the Adirondack Conqueror (purportedly like a White Wing).

[Rick Enos]

Numpls,If you send me your e-mail address I will send you a photo of  2 proto-types Dickie Roberts made in the begining of his business.These were the first of the first(Fire Balls)The third bow is a takedown That came later & I believe looks a little more like the bow on Tradgang.Although I think that they look simular I dont believe there Dickies Because they do not have the flat spot in the limbs.Maybe you could post the pic.or send pics to Fred Carty.I think he would be interested in looking at these bows.For some reason I cant post pics.Off from photo bucket but I can post off Kodak & attach to E-mail.Thanks Rick

[NumPls]

Rick, I look forward to receiving and viewing your photos.

All: Here are two photos that Fred Carty sent to me of a Dickie Roberts bow. By the way, Fred told me that the belly-mounted stabilizers are "built-in", not "added on".

Rick says that he has photos of a very early Dickie's bow, which may look very different that this one.

Riser Back View
 

Riser Belly View
 

Ray

[hardbern]

It was obviously not a one-off as this past week I've seen another:
   

I'm thinking maybe it's a small time bowyer in the UK, somewhere 63-71 maybe, doing his take on a Bear Tamerlane.

[Kelly]

Dickie Roberts was my first quess, too.

I've seen different Dickie Roberts Fireballs than what you [psted, Numpls in the old Archery Magzines.

It alos has the look of a Groves GS 300 in the handle only-limbs are different.

Absolutely no markings on either bow in question?

[hardbern]

No markings at all.

Some people are suggesting it might be an early Black Widow - any thoughts on that?

[Kelly]

Definitely not an early Black Widow.

It reminds me of lots of bows like Wing Presentation I, Bear Tamerlane, Dickie Roberts Fireball, Groves GS 300, USAC Archery. etc.

With no markings, not even poundage?, it is anyones guess then.