T'Bear archery talked to a trad archer friend of a number of us on this site, and wanted him to put the grips on for them.He declined stating he had no time to do that many...but he WOULD blank them out for them and let them install to his grip pattern. When they found out how much time it took...they told him NO WAY would they take that long to do it..! The grip had to be a 5 minute or less operation or it was a NO GO for them....hence the crappy leather grip. What they SHOULD do....is make available an aftermarket grip person who CAN do it for them...then have the customer contact them upon reciept of the bow....just a thought...