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[2ndTimeShooter]

That's a 62 Polar. They look a lot like a 61 Kodiak Special. Ask Mangonboat about them, he has a lot to say!

[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by warpedarrow:
... I prefer to keep everything cataloged on my personal computers as I can go to it and have it ready to upload in a matter of a few seconds.  Perhaps some day I will try imgur, but I am skeptical as I tried photobucket and a couple of other sites and found them all to be highly irritating.  Maybe I'm just an old grouch...

you sure do appear to be an "old grouch".    :D  

understand that ALL of these online image archival repositories are just that - free web space to stick yer images for reuse elsewhere on the web.  yer putting up a COPY of what's in yer computer, not sending yer images off for good into cyber space.

also, imgur allows you to specify if images are public or private, and will allow you to retrieve (download) all the images stored on their servers.  images can be sized and edited, as well.  but none of that is needed to post images at trad gang.  just upload yer big images to imgur, post that imgur image link in a trad gang post, and trad gang takes care of the image sizing.

i would not steer you, brad, wrong - nor any trad ganger.  don't waste time jawing about the plight of images and trad gang, make it easy on yerself and others, and just use  www.imgur.com   and be done with posting images at trad gang ...

... and enjoy.  

[Larry m]

Yeah, photo bucket is a pain to use. Unfortunately the majority of my archery photos are stored there. Just spent close to an hour loading these pics. Taking us back to the beginning of the thread. Type 1 63 Dogleg Magnum.   /archery113.jpg[/IMG][/url]            

[Rob DiStefano]

beautiful old bow, but new looking bow, larry.

never too late to ditch photobucket for imgur, and do it far easier, and quite right ....

[TRAP]

Thats a beautiful Type 1 Larry, do you shoot it?  

Many people will not shoot the Deluxe's because of issues they apparently had in the past. I'm one that does.

Even though I shoot my Deluxe, I  don't shoot my Type 1 or Type 2 63 Mags. Not sure why.  Maybe I don't want to screw up an opportunity to make a nice lamp some day.

   

[zepnut]

Beautiful Magnums Daryl

[Larry m]

Nice lineup Trap... and No I don't shoot this one!
It has a prominent place on the bow rack along with a nice signed Grumley Deerslayer..........

Yep Rob, I need to work on the change to imgur....
Thanks for the info!  

[mangonboat]

Maybe its my imagination, but some of the most handsome chunks of wood that came out of Grayling were 1963 doglegs. Looking back ,it was kind of a weird year for Bear..the 1962 lineup had so many models that became legends, the 1963 lineup had some  PR disasters. Somewhere I saw a good  photo of a 63 Kodiak Fred Bear took with him to India on the trip when he shot a Bengal tiger..the grain patterns were similar to Trap's Type 2 K Mag but seemed to be deep in the wood.

[seboomook]

Agree, a lot of the '62 and '63 rosewood was spectacular,from pics I've seen. The target bows from those years also have great figure.

[crazynate]

I love those dogleg Magnums. I have never owned one but maybe someday.

[Wade Phillips]

Originally posted by mangonboat:
Maybe its my imagination, but some of the most handsome chunks of wood that came out of Grayling were 1963 doglegs. Looking back ,it was kind of a weird year for Bear..the 1962 lineup had so many models that became legends, the 1963 lineup had some  PR disasters. Somewhere I saw a good  photo of a 63 Kodiak Fred Bear took with him to India on the trip when he shot a Bengal tiger..the grain patterns were similar to Trap's Type 2 K Mag but seemed to be deep in the wood.

mangonboat -

Trap's Type 2 Kodiak Magnum Dogleg is Bubinga, the grain pattern that is deep in the wood is what I call Translucent Calico Bubinga. I have an original 1959 Kodiak Special 47#, 64" in excellent condition that has a nice slab of this Translucent Calico Bubinga on both sides of the I-Beam. I got this bow from my old pal, the late Al Reader in a big trade of several bows... Al said if it were left hand, he would have kept it to shoot. My inadequate photograph does not do the wood justice...

     

Fred's personal 1963 Dogleg Kodiak was not made with Bubinga, but rather it was an I-Beam of three pieces of Brazilian Rosewood with some exceptional grain, especially the grain in the sight window which is unforgettably stunning.

From time to time, Fred set aside some of the most unusual grain wood that they acquired and used it for special projects. His personal Dogleg Kodiak is the best effort of those special projects that comes to mind right now.

Although generally uncommon, unusual and/or exceptional grain fine wood can be found in many years of Bear bows, dating back to as early as the Bear/Grumley era when yew and osage were commonly used woods in Bear bows. But a lot fewer of those truly remarkable Grumley bows around than of the late 50s and 60s era Bear bows with exotic wood risers.

[Wade Phillips]

Originally posted by TRAP:
...
Even though I shoot my Deluxe, I  don't shoot my Type 1 or Type 2 63 Mags. Not sure why.  Maybe I don't want to screw up an opportunity to make a nice lamp some day.
 

Trap -

That is really a nice one piece Bubinga riser on the Type 2 in your photograph of the three types of Dogleg Magnums.

If you want to make a nice Dogleg lamp, you should have at least one LH and one RH bow so the sight windows can face each other...

   

[TRAP]

Lol Wade, I'll take that into consideration. I bought a LH bow by mistake one time. I hope that is my last time.

So, what are we going to talk about this week?

Anybody want to start the week off with another vintage archery tackle discussion. How about broadhead designs that, may have appealed to the archers of the day, but probably weren't the best designs for actually taking game.

[Wade Phillips]

Originally posted by TRAP:
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How about broadhead designs that, may have appealed to the archers of the day, but probably weren't the best designs for actually taking game.

Trap -

How about the Roper's Indian Arrowhead, introduced in "Archery" Magazine Sep 1953, in an advertisement on page 38...

How effective does everyone think the Roper's would be?

         

Shown above is the small upward flute model.

The much larger downward flute model is a common broadhead in the collector's world and frequently appears for sale at auction.

Apparently the Large Roper's did appeal to many neophyte bowmen of the era as over the years I have found dozens of them in the possession of archers active in the mid 1950s.

[TRAP]

Perfect example Wade, Thanks for posting.

My guess is the Ropers would be a pretty tough head to get "hunting" sharp. I'm sure a heavy enough bow would punch it through a deer simply because of its 2-blade design.

Gimmicky Broadheads make me think of fishing lures painted and shaped like beer cans. Appealing to the archer of the day was good for sales even if the design was poor.

Cmon Wakeman, this topic is right up your alley.

[Lucas K]

Isn't the Roper's head cast Aluminum? I can't imagine shooting one at anything other than a rabbit. Even that seems a stretch.

[Wade Phillips]

Lucas K -

Yes the Roper's are cast aluminum heads.


Trap -

You are correct, it is not possible to get a wavy serrated edge of an aluminum head as sharp as a good quality well designed convex edge steel broadhead.

[TRAP]

The concept behind, the Mohawk Swivel Action Broadhead, shown  "actual size" in this July, 1958 issue of The National Bowhunter advertisement, was perhaps decades ahead of its time.

Too flimsy to be considered a functional broadhead by today's standards. Not the earliest mechanical head but the earliest in my small  broadhead collection.  The Mohawk is a fairly common head probably due in part to the "cool" factor.

   

[NIGEL01]

Wow, cool thread guys.  Haven't ventured here in a while, glad I checked it out!

[bowhunterfrompast]

The original Mohawk was first offered for sale in 1957.

Many different colors were used over time to mold the ferrules.