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Offline UpstateNY Hunter

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Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« on: March 16, 2017, 08:24:00 AM »
I purchased this quiver a few years ago, and I was hoping to get some help with it.  What do you know about this quiver?

     

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2017, 08:41:00 AM »
Here is a close-up of the labels on the quiver.

   

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2017, 10:22:00 AM »
Almost looks like a modified bear scabbard quiver. Looks like it's from Floyds shop. I bet wade will know. It's a cool quiver that's for sure.

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2017, 08:54:00 PM »
I have spent hours upon hours with Floyd & his wife at Chippewa archery.I remember him having Fred Bears office chair over by the TV in his archery shop.He would let me set there & watch Fred Bear movies & would take the time to answer any question I had about archery,,,Floyd was a wonderful man....I'll never forget those days...His wife was a sweet-heart...I don't know if that hand held arrow holder was Bear, but maybe it was designed by fred..& given to Floyd...

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2017, 06:13:00 AM »
I bought the quiver from Floyd's son, Rich, a few years ago.  He told me that his dad was very proud of it and that it had been given to him by Fred.  The hand held quiver was mentioned in Fred's history of quiver design:

Fred Bear, founder of Bear Archery, held the first patents on the bow quiver. The first one was a crude hand-held affair that never really caught on. But his unrelenting persistence drove him to continually improve the idea until it was a viable product. He then pioneered its use and through his never-ending marketing and promotion, he almost single handedly caused bow quivers to become the standard quiver of nearly every bowhunter in the country. Good thing he did too. The bow quiver has evolved into the best quiver designed so far for carrying your extra arrows. We owe a debt of gratitude to Fred Bear, for more than just bow quivers. What an incredible bowhunter, inventor, and businessman.

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2017, 07:38:00 AM »
Scott -

Actually Fred's first bow quiver was a one arrow hand-held affair... the back of Fred's bow was lightly notched above the leather grip and Fred held the arrow in place against the back of the bow while he was gripping the leather handle of the bow. The limbs of the bow bent back toward Fred, so did not interfere the position of arrow.  

Fred didn't really invent that simple "hand-held" method. Actually native American Indians used that method centuries before Fred's birth. I'm sure the same method was used by other developing stone age cultures around the world as they progressed.

The hand-held leather quiver that somewhat resembles your quiver pictured in your post above, was the prototype of the quiver that Fred patented. I am not aware of any evidence that more than one of these hand-held leather quivers was ever made by Fred. Nor am I aware of any evidence that it was ever marketed.

Fred's early use of the bow quiver is clearly documented in this second film "Moose Diary" (which is not part of the Bear CD Library). I showed "Moose Diary" at Compton a couple of years ago. That film combines footage of Fred's 1944 and 1945 Canadian deer and moose hunts with KK Knickerbocker.

The 1944 footage shows them using the rare hair on Northwoods back quivers. The 1945 footage shows them with bow quivers on their Grumley bows. Fred shot his first moose on the 1945 hunt.

Interestingly Fred applied for his bow quiver patent on January 16, 1946, just a few months after returning from that first successful Canadian moose hunt.

Incidentally the US Patent Office did not grant that patent to Fred until March 8, 1949. A full three years and two months after his application. This delay indicates that something was amiss, but that is another lengthy discussion for another time, and perhaps another thread. Simply stated, it is unusual that Fred's 1946 application took more than 3 years to be granted. At that point in time, most patents were granted in far less time.

Being a US patent holder myself, and a 34 year employee of AT&T and Bell Labs which averaged more than one patent per day, everyday for more than a 100-year period. Since the turn of the century, there have been several top companies that are averaging more than 10 patents per day in a single year. I have long been interested in patents and the history of the patent process.
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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2017, 08:05:00 AM »
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Originally posted by crazynate:
Almost looks like a modified bear scabbard quiver. Looks like it's from Floyds shop. I bet wade will know. It's a cool quiver that's for sure.
The green hand-held quiver pictured above doesn't look like could not have been made by modifying a Bear Scabbard Quiver.

The Bear Scabbard Quiver had a wire frame covered with thin leather and a 3-arrow rubber gripper fastened to the wire frame.

Not sure how the hand bracket or the arrow clips are attached to the body of the quiver.

The Bear Scabbard Quiver hood was more pointed and covered with leather notched at the corners.
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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2017, 08:17:00 AM »
Can't say that I remember the green hand-held quiver in Floyd's shop.

In addition to hundreds of historically significant and legitimately rare collectible items, there were probably a greater number of insignificant and common items that I paid little attention to after an initial glance. There were also countless handmade items with no historical significance that were given to Floyd, that were just taking up valuable real estate in the shop.

Visiting the shop, searching through the items and discovering the existence of truly historical items was always a treat that made each journey to  the Chippewa Archery Shop worth every bump in the road on the nearly 1,600 mile round trip for me.
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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2017, 09:12:00 AM »
I'm looking at the quiver, and it does look like aluminum covered in green leather.  The handle looks like painted aluminum.  The top is painted wood with rubber for the tips on the broadheads.  The wood top is attached with phillips head screws.  It looks like it was used by holding with your hand on the grip, making it parallel to the bow.
Here's a question.  The handle is offset.  Does this make it a right or left handed quiver?

   

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2017, 09:15:00 AM »
The hand grip is solid, and I can't tell if it is glued or welded to the aluminum body.  The arrow clips look to be riveted the the body.

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2017, 09:17:00 AM »
Also, the quiver was used as there are some marks on the leather from broadheads being inserted and removed from the quiver.

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2017, 04:54:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Rick Enos:
I have spent hours upon hours with Floyd & his wife at Chippewa archery.I remember him having Fred Bears office chair over by the TV in his archery shop.He would let me set there & watch Fred Bear movies & would take the time to answer any question I had about archery,,,Floyd was a wonderful man....I'll never forget those days...His wife was a sweet-heart...
Rick -

Is "Fred Bear's office chair" that you speak of the one with the stripe fabric in this image...

The small photograph sitting on the seat of the chair is the one that hung in Floyd's Shop of Floyd, Fred (sitting in this chair), Munger and Joney. Yes, Joney was a real sweeheart.

   
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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2017, 06:19:00 PM »
Wade, that's been soooooo long ago..It very well could be.....My daughter went to Central Mi.When my wife & I would go up & visit I would spend all the time I could with Floyd..I want it....You can send it to me anytime ..I may even come out & pick it up....I trust that's the chair that was by the TV at Chippewa.....Boy would that look nice in my den....

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2017, 09:02:00 PM »
After Floyd passed I would go up & chat with Rich....He let me take all those movies home & record them.I have vintage archery movies coming out of the walls.....The one that sticks out at this time is the St.Charles museum....Joe does a walk thru & records it....Very nice..

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2017, 09:33:00 PM »
Rick -

Yes, that is Fred's old chair that Floyd got when Bear Archery moved down to Florida. Floyd had it in the fireplace area at his shop.

Since you mentioned it earlier, thought you would enjoy seeing it again and knowing that it has had a new home since the summer of 2008.

When I got it home and in a corner of the Bear Area, I heard from the resident interior decorator, was how it needed to be reupholstered. I diplomatically informed her that as long as I was alive, that upholstery would remain on those cushions.
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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2017, 09:41:00 PM »
Rick -

This is the June 24, 1986 Photograph taken in Floyd's Shop on the day of Fred's last visit to Floyd's place with Fred sitting in the chair...

Left to right, Floyd Eccleston, Fred Bear in his old chair, Joney Eccleston and Bob Munger sitting on fire place.

   
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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2017, 08:02:00 AM »
Oh no Wade....no touch...I'm so glad you have it & I know you will keep it forever..When I think about Chippewa archery,I think of Floyd,his wife & that chair..Maybe somday when I retire,
 I will come out to your place & sit in it again....

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2017, 08:05:00 AM »
Oh my god....what a beautiful picture.....
memories....That's all I can say..

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2017, 08:10:00 AM »
Bob Munger lived next to my neighbors up north & they gave me a book(Trailing a Bear) I think????That Bob gave them..Pretty cool..Its been in storage for years..Cant remember if its signed or not....

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Re: Bear Hand-Held Quiver?
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2017, 08:16:00 AM »
My apologies to Upstate hunter for cutting in on this post....The chair did it.....

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