ben bow, 8 years?? that's really so sad, one never knows why that happens. people get pushed back for different reasons. for those of us that socoity deems just your normal everyday people,we seem to get put on the back burner. i don't want to sound judgemental, but this kind of thing really rubs me the wrong way. maybe i'm way off base but i've seen this kind of thing before. i would never tell rick my view on this and i know you wouldn't. i'm sorry, but for me this falls right along with abortion. 8 years?? i consider this righteous anger. you guys tell me if i'm wrong. my prayers are with him and his family.