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Offline Ryan32

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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #100 on: February 05, 2010, 11:20:00 PM »
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As for the united point. I have heard the 2nd Amendment argument and the hunting rights argument from my US friends way too many times. Let me tell you, coming from a bigger country with less people and way less hunters than USA. Stand divided and you will be conquered sooner or later my friend. Been there done that seen it and lost it my friend. Don't kid yourselves the antis out number all of us any day of the week. Don't ever forget that, please.
Prime example is the spring bear hunt that we should be doing in a couple of months, yet that got banned due to lobbying i belive. I feel lucky to live in an area where i have free access to thousands of acres of free public land.
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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #101 on: February 05, 2010, 11:30:00 PM »
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Buff's cat had 5000 acres to escape in.  Buff's cat had real teeth and claws.  There appears to have been no other way for him to full fill his dream.  All I have to say it congratulations and good luck in your future hunts.  Take care.  Mike.
Thats exactly my sentiment too. This wasn't a 5 acre zoo exhibit. 5000 acres is alot for that cat to escape or not be seen all day. Just my two cents
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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #102 on: March 10, 2010, 03:42:00 PM »
WOW...awesome job...congrats on an achievement.  GREAT JOB!!

(can I say it again?)

WOW...totally awesome, great video!!  Congrats!!

BTW, I cannot believe you complained about being an inch off of where you were aiming..........

it was a lion at 40 yards..........  :scared:  

Awesome shot!!(s)
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Offline kmunch

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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #103 on: March 17, 2010, 05:18:00 PM »
awesome story

Offline Ethan Grotheer

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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #104 on: March 21, 2010, 05:17:00 PM »
Very Cool BUFF!!!! I can only imagine.. WOW!

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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #105 on: April 12, 2010, 11:45:00 PM »
great hunt marty
lammie is a friend of mine
he came over and went gear hunting with me in arkansas
had a good hunt and he got his first black bear that hunt
he wanted me to set with him and we both got a bear that afternoon

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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #106 on: May 02, 2010, 11:20:00 AM »
WOW....great story !
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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #107 on: July 05, 2010, 03:57:00 PM »
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I am not judged by the number of times I fail, but by the number of times I succeed. And the number of times I succeed is in direct proportion to the number of times I can fail and keep trying.

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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #108 on: July 15, 2010, 08:59:00 AM »
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But lions being bred in an enclosure for one purpose- to be killed- by being thrown into another enclosure a few days weeks or months prior to the "hunt" happening- does that sound like what we ought to be about, whether its legal or not?
 
Isn't that essentially what we do with stocked trout streams?  I understand Ray's point but the thing I don't agree with Ray is that his position is essentially one of retreat.  We are letting people who, he admits, have no real understanding of what we do or the circumstances surrounding what we do decide our fate.  I would rather we inform the general public, much like Mr. Bear did, about all the aspects of hunting, even the sad realities that sometimes force us to forgo the IDEAL, such as the many circumstances Andy has mentioned.  Remember, at one time bowhunting was not considered humane and an effective way to hunt.  It took ambassadors of the sport, like Fred Bear, to inform the public and not only convince them it was fair and "ethical" but also inspired a lot of people to actually take up the sport. I'd rather take an offensive position then a defensive position because on defense we will still lose our rights by degrees regardless of what we do because those who oppose us want no compromise and nothing we do will meet with their satisfaction except the total abolishment of hunting and eventually ownership of weapons.

  Great story Buff. Congrats.

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« Reply #109 on: July 16, 2010, 10:32:00 AM »
Very interesting reading to say the least.
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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #110 on: August 18, 2010, 10:27:00 AM »
Talondale,

I never saw a fence in any of Fred's hunting film.

Fair chase is the ONLY way to hunt- PERIOD. End of sentence.

I'm sorry to be so blunt- but you are wrong. And you know I don't imply any disrespect- you,me and all the guys on this site, almost without exception, are all sympatico or we would not be doing it with stickbows.

You could tell the 80% who don't hunt and are NOT anti-hunters all day -that hunting inside an enclosure- be it 10 acres or 1000 acres- is OK, and you'll not get any sympathy from them on that subject.

And that will be the end of fair chase hunting in the end if we take that tack. Because they hold the fate of our activity in THEIR hands...you and anyone else who believes that we should support hunting behind enclosures because its hunting are making the job of the idiots on the other side easier.

You ever seen those funny commercials where the kid that's already in the room doesn't get ice cream but the kid that walks in the door gets some-Even kids know its wrong...... is the tag line.

That's kind of the answer here.

Instinctively, the majority in the middle will go with their gut and say "this is wrong". Because the image they get in their heads will be what they are spoonfed by the media- and believe me- it won't be Buff's movie- it will be one where the fence is very obvious, and the animal is back ed up into it, and then shot-probably seven times with a gun.

Whether you or I like it or not our fate isn't in our hands...its in the hands of non hunters, and this is a guaranteed LOSE position.

Buff and I have spoken at length "off camera" and I've assisted him in hopefully finding what he needs for a fair chase elephant. I'm betting instead of doing what he did on this lion if he'd said "help" we'd have likely been able to find him somehting for lion too. We'll not know for sure...but I would have given it my all to have kept this from being here.
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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #111 on: September 12, 2010, 11:00:00 PM »
Here kitty, kitty...
I am not judged by the number of times I fail, but by the number of times I succeed. And the number of times I succeed is in direct proportion to the number of times I can fail and keep trying.

Offline Talondale

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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #112 on: September 13, 2010, 10:15:00 AM »
Sorry for the delay in response Ray.  I understand what you are saying and agree that the media will determine what kind of image they see - IF we let them.   We are only in this position because generations of people have taken a passive, mind-my-own-business, approach to this.  How is it that the media has become 99% liberal?  How is it that Hollywood, that once blacklisted communist sympathizers, is now mostly marxist, socialist, treehuggers?  We yielded the field.  Yes it's a sad truth that in some areas only fence hunts are allowed.  Well, rather than try to ignore that fact, or accept it, fight back.  Inform the public why their knee-jerk emotional based political pressure leads to stupid policies.  Use their own methods to appeal to their sentiments and suggest a better way.  Put it in their face that if they continue to support ignorant policies based on a Disneyfied concept of nature that the animals will suffer and possibly go extinct because in reality most people don't care about the animals unless there's a monetary value attached.  I just saw a stupid commercial last night for the Nissan Leaf where a polar bear travels thousands of miles to hug the owner of an electric car!  That's the kind of stupidity we're dealing with. I know it may seem pollyannaish and I accept that sometimes raw facts, like carrying capacities, finances, and other things, are going to sometimes trump the ideal but we can't continue to only do what's right on an individual basis and hope things turn out alright.  Sometimes we have to go beyond, we have to push back.  Yes, police our own ranks, yes, be involved in game law decisions, yes hunt as ethically and humane as we can as individuals but minding our own house won't be enough.  When Fred started the majority would have gone with their gut and said that bowhunting was inhumane, archaic, barbaric, and impracticle.  Modern weaponry was the only way a gentleman should pursue game.  But he made an effort to inform the public.  Maybe rather then selling products our hunting videos should be selling our ideals.  All of which has nothing to do with Buff's hunt directly but I hate to see a shrinking segment of hunters just hold to their ideals while their way of life is outlawed. The other reality is that fair chase may not be an option for certain species.  Will countries be willing to let large, huntable populations of predators roam their country free just so a handful of Foreigners can come chase them in an ideal setting?  Ranchers will demand compensation for lost livestock or will resort to poaching.  At some point the government will have to balance rancher/general population needs with the cost effectiveness of maintaining these lions and they will decide that either the lion isn't worth it or the price will be so high that only a handful of well financed hunters will have the opportunity.  Is it better that only 6 (random number) hunters get a chance to hunt a free range lion each year and the number of lion is just enough to say they are there? or do we try for a synthesis of the two?  Controlled populations in isolated (fenced) areas where they are allowed to be hunted but their numbers are maintained through careful management, much like the stocked trout stream example I mentioned.  The trout are raised in small controlled areas to maximize reproduction and released into wild streams.  Is the trout truely wild?  Is it ethical to fish for them?  Do fish that have been artificially feed have a chance to avoid the lures of the fisherman?  It would be great if all the Eastern streams had trout jumping out of them but the realities of fishing pressure and natural limits (warm season water) means that can't happen.  Should we therefore forego stocking streams and only catch the limited brook trout that are native and viable in small locations and limit the number of licenses so that the select few only pursue a pristine experience?

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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #113 on: October 10, 2010, 04:04:00 PM »
Buff-what a great story! sounded like excellent shooting to me!! good job!
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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #114 on: January 29, 2011, 10:56:00 AM »
I need to get to africa.  Way cheaper and sounds like more fun than $30,000.00 for a Ram in Canada and Alaska.
I should be able to get more munting time for $30,000.00
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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #115 on: January 29, 2011, 12:52:00 PM »
definitely ,interesting points of view. I'm not against fenced in hunts in africa as long as the game is wild and the acreage large. The debate could be what is a sufficient amount of land .definitely against the hunts where lions purchased from zoos are placed in tiny enclosures to be slaughtered.I've seen a hunting show in the us where the deer can be purchased by size and priced accordingly. The deer pics are shown with a man holding the deer by the antlers with the corresponding price for each deer.So ,obviously the deer was drugged and placed for a pic.meanwhile in other states, huge enclosures are not meant to keep deer in, but to keep deer out.Quality management on20,000. plus acres. I can't see the fences disappearing, it's a matter of legislated what is ethical ,and who decides that?

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« Reply #116 on: January 29, 2011, 05:49:00 PM »
You'll find a ram for much less than $30,000 in Canada or Alaska.  The difference is you'll be sold a HUNT not a sheep.  In real hunting there are no guarantees.  

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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #117 on: January 30, 2011, 01:07:00 PM »
I never assumed there were guarantees calgary.  Don't want one.  But you will have to point me to a hunt that your talking about.  I have been saving a while for this one.  
On topic, are you refering to the lion hunt?
You get to keep what you kill.  If it were easy there would be no value in it.
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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #118 on: January 30, 2011, 01:17:00 PM »
nice story and results, what a pretty lion.

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Re: African Lion with BW recurve
« Reply #119 on: February 03, 2011, 02:25:00 AM »
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