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Offline Madpigslayer

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #80 on: July 23, 2003, 04:15:00 PM »
Thanks to Matt Edwards (Matt E, I still cant figure out how he came up with his handle...hmmm  :p  )
who sent me these pix...

 http://community.webshots.com/photo/82527119/82527178nDeWhC

 http://community.webshots.com/photo/82527119/82527215msKfae

 http://community.webshots.com/photo/82527119/82527305RpwoLY

 http://community.webshots.com/photo/82527119/82527339UrEwli

 http://community.webshots.com/photo/82527119/82527375QxCLAt

 http://community.webshots.com/photo/82527119/82527417TuuZFo

 http://community.webshots.com/photo/82527119/82527488kSkFPo

Matt..perhaps ya could give us a run-down on your process? obviously you are doing things a little differant, I would very much like to hear your version?!! thanks again for the pictures.

I really like the looks of the point and the nock...very unique.
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #81 on: July 23, 2003, 04:21:00 PM »
Matt, you said that you feel like a kid in a candy store?

know this.


without the computer medium there is NO WAY I would be as involved in this hobby. there is a differance in reading a book and actually seeing pictures and having people with real world experience tell ya how to do things. I think this will potentially save me YEARS of struggle. As mentioned before, there is no one around where I live that is tutoring me, just my online mentors...be they voluntary, or in the case of some...involuntary!!!

who would have thunk...I needed the Internet to be able to get back to "primitive technologies"

who said life was a circle? I owe them a beer!
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #82 on: July 23, 2003, 04:51:00 PM »
Nice work Matt. VERY traditional looking. Have you ever burned your fletch shape with a piece of burning wood before? Pic # 5 was wild..it was like "ghost arrow" or something. That nock is wood? Never hear of opalized wood before.
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Offline Glasspoint

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #83 on: July 23, 2003, 04:54:00 PM »
Nice looking finished arra, Calvin  :thumbsup:  ! Did you glue the feathers down? I found that if I strip the feather off the quill instead of splitting it, they aren't stiff enough to stand up without glue or a wrap like Matt's. How do they fly?

Matt E., Who taught you to make arrows, those are amazing  :eek:    :D  !
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #84 on: July 23, 2003, 05:05:00 PM »
Doug a circular saw blade may be too thick & rigid, I don't know. Never tried circular saw blades before. Bet they'd make good knives though.
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Offline Matt E

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #85 on: July 23, 2003, 05:53:00 PM »
Thanks for the nice words. Of course the shaft is Switch cane,nock and fore shaft are Mesquite and the point is Opalized wood....... Ferret, I had never heard of Opalized wood either until a friend from Ark. sent it to me . I think it may be a local word. It does knapp well but loves to stack up. If I am careful I can get a decent head from the material. This arrow is like the ones made in the fifties when I was a young lad. It is copied after the tibes here but the nock and material I used is not right for the area.
Thanks all.
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #86 on: July 23, 2003, 05:56:00 PM »
I dunno yet David...might have to try tonight! those feathers were purchased full length and the quills are very stiff and flat, dont think they will need to be glued down, might still do it though. as I just got the front sinew done last night it was too wet to shoot. I still need to add some more sinew on it, will attempt a shot first. I also have some goose feathers to try out when I get to it.

I too have some old circular blades...some thinner than others that might be destined for the trade point thing. will do that at the same time as I try the bandsaw trades, what the heck.
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #87 on: July 23, 2003, 05:58:00 PM »
Matt if you have more pictures to send, go for it. you seem to have your own folder on my site!
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Offline Splinter

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #88 on: July 23, 2003, 06:25:00 PM »
Calvin,
That arrow Matt E made is even more beautiful when you hold it in your hands. As we say here in Arkansas, "I'm the wun what tuk dem pitchers."
He is the one that turned me on to cane.
Hey Matt. Sorry you couldn't make the Jam. Rod was everything you'd think he'd be and then some.   :D
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #89 on: July 23, 2003, 06:43:00 PM »
Splinter. I seem to run into you everytime I turn around these days! how the heck are ya! I did recognize the name...I have been trying to get work done today, so have purposely bin staying off this dang website LOL!!!(with varying amounts of success)

Maybe you could fill us in on that opalized stuff?
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2003, 06:55:00 PM »
calvin, are you using river cane or switch cane? ive been told from the pictures i posted on my "cane" that they are indeed switch cane and from what ive read and heard here on the "GANG", it is the ultimate arra cane,im gonna go cut some more of this stuff this week,you interested in any?you said it didnt grow way up north.......
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #91 on: July 23, 2003, 07:05:00 PM »
here is a pic of what i bundled up today

maybe promising stuff..........
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #92 on: July 23, 2003, 07:44:00 PM »
Splinter I posted that pic of you I took at the Mojam clout shoot with your cane arrow/flint head on the thread "Ferret's Mojam pics (or something like that)
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #93 on: July 23, 2003, 08:47:00 PM »
Here is a link that may be of interest. Take care, murray

 http://aquat1.ifas.ufl.edu/arugig.html
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #94 on: July 23, 2003, 09:23:00 PM »
Darrin,There was no way I could go to MOJAM this time, My mom is in the hospital and is going to have a operation. I have been having a hectic time as of late...... For those that may be having a hard time straightening reeds of  bamboo. For the final straightening, I use a 4x4x4 block of wood with a shallow "V" groove across one face of it. I place my shaft on the block,in the groove. I let the node hang over and rotate the shaft and straighten it as need be.. I put a index mark on the table to help align the shaft. It works like a charm. Don't forget to heat the joint up first and don't burn the shaft. I find this beats having to look down the shaft after each attempt at correcting them. I do enjoy this hobby.
 Take care all.
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #95 on: July 23, 2003, 10:30:00 PM »
Good tip Matt, will have to try that. Thanks
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Offline Madpigslayer

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #96 on: July 24, 2003, 12:14:00 AM »
Murray, if you are still reading this...is it switch cane or river cane you sent me? or do you acknowledge a differance?
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Offline Matt E

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #97 on: July 24, 2003, 08:55:00 AM »
I have noticed that most people bind their shafts up to let them dry.I like to leave them loose and laying flat in my shop. I turn them on occasion while drying. I prestraighten them while green as they will bend and hold well. I then let dry before doing my final straightening. I have seen shafts get a oval shape if they were tied up to tight while still green.
 Take care all.
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #98 on: July 24, 2003, 09:56:00 AM »
Calvin,
Tha material I sent you is what they are taking about and is shown in the url that I posted above here.
What I sent to you is the native wild species that is known scientifically as Arundinaria tecta. Around here they call it Rivercane, some people call it Bamboo, some folks elsewhere call it switch cane. Large stands are known as Cane brakes or cane patches. The bottom line is that what you have is the native species, the one the indians native to this region and all up and down  the coast used to make arrows and other things from. There are several species of non native Bamboos, I saw the article that Jay was in some years ago and do not think what he is standing in front of is the native species. I am sure it worked for arrows and fishing poles but as I remember it didn't look like A.Tecta, the native species.  I work around the stuff all the time in the wetlands and am very familiar with it, personally I refer to it as Rivercane. Look at the URL to see what it looks like standing.  Take care Murray
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #99 on: July 24, 2003, 11:03:00 AM »
Calvin,
Sometimes I get into this stuff also. It has escaped and grows here in SOuth Georgia and all over FLorida.  Everybody really likes it for arrows and 99% of people including many scientists have a hard time telling the difference unless they key it. Check the pictures on both sites below and compare. Take care, Murray

 http://aquat1.ifas.ufl.edu/psejap.html

 http://plants.ifas.ufl.edu/arugig.html
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