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Offline Tedd

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2004, 06:09:00 PM »
Aw bummer! Sorry to hear it. Get yourself a beer, prop your feet up. It was a good try.  Tedd
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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2004, 06:31:00 PM »
I feel for ya Eric, you put a ton of work into that puppy. Those that don't try never get any where.  :thumbsup:
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Offline Madpigslayer

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2004, 06:43:00 PM »
tough luck cooter. here is the thing. ya cant quit. sinew that turkey back up. I wanna see it shootin at Mojam.  :)  

Hey, no guts no glory!
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Offline cooter

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2004, 07:03:00 PM »
I'm depressed right now but I'm not giving up. As I'm typing the sinew wrapped tips are soaking in wet wash clothes so I can strip off the sinew wraps. Once I've got the sinew completely off I'll re-prep the back of this thing and try to get her ready for another sinew job. Last Monday I orders some 20 inch moose sinew that should have been her today but didn't arive. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it will get her tomarrow so I can start pounding it and maybe start applying sinew to this bow come Monday. I think I'm just going to put one or two courses on the bow next time and leave it at that. I wont be preloading her, so with a little luck might only have to deal with 4-6 inches of reflex. That should be a breeze compaired to what I was dealing with before. Hey, it just dawned on me, if this bow would have had a flat profile with how much I had the limbs bending I probably would be shooting her now. after all I had the tips moving roughly 20 inches from their resting position.

A person just has to look at the bright side from time to time  :bigsmyl:  
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Offline cooter

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #64 on: February 13, 2004, 07:13:00 PM »
UPS man just stopped by, Any guesses what I'll be doing tonight?   :help:  

Cooter
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Offline Linc

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #65 on: February 13, 2004, 07:25:00 PM »
Cooter, You sure are persistent.Good for you.Never say die.
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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #66 on: February 13, 2004, 07:29:00 PM »
We're with ya Cooter, pound that sinew boy.   :thumbsup:
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Offline Chris R

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #67 on: February 13, 2004, 07:43:00 PM »
Tough luck man.  Keep at her.  :thumbsup:  

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Offline the Ferret

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #68 on: February 13, 2004, 07:46:00 PM »
Oh man, that cowboy done crippled the bull    :scared:  

Remember what Bro Randy said Cooter..."it ain't broke till I say it's broke"     :mad:
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Offline Hackbow

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2004, 07:47:00 PM »
Wish I was there to pound for you. I am definitely gonna use this project as an illustration for my kids. There is a reward waiting at the end of this effort and I'm glad you're not throwing in the towel Cooter.
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Offline Marc

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2004, 08:10:00 PM »
Hmmm. You know Cooter. I had something similar to that happen to me a few years ago. Part of the sinew lifted clean off half one limb. The rest of the bow was fine. Know what I did? Pulled out some Epoxy and glued that sucker back together. Worked just fine, no difference between it and the other limb.
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Offline Flinttim

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2004, 09:15:00 PM »
Gosh Eric, wished I had caught this thread earlier. I had all the sinew pop off a hickory bow last year. One piece. I think the hickory was too dry and sucked the moisture out of the sinew causing a bad bond. I cleaned the wood, and then wetted it with a spray bottle, and then reflexed it till the sinew would line back up and then re-glued the whole pc back on with hide glue. Wraped it tight with elastic and let her dry a month and a half. Came out fine and still shoots.
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Offline John Scifres

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2004, 09:48:00 PM »
Cooter,

Dang boy!  I admire your persisitence.  What ever happened to that Cooter Skin of yours?  At least you just glue it down.  No stripping  :)   You'll love that moose sinew.  It is 3 times easier than deer sinew.
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Offline Timo

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2004, 09:58:00 PM »
Been there  Cooter! I feel for ya.

I think it was Winston Churchill that said,

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another,with no loss of enthusiasm"

That's got Cooter all over it!Keep trying boy!  :thumbsup:
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Offline cooter

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #74 on: February 13, 2004, 09:59:00 PM »
Time out and hold the phone, am I hearing this right? I might be able to glue the sinew back on to the bows back? The sinew is in one piece from tip wrap to tip wrap. I pulled the wet wash clothes of the tips and can let them dry out. They haven't softened up too much and haven't started unraveling yet so once dry I think they'll be fine. Please give me precise instructions on how you'd attempt it and I'll give it a go. Think epoxy would be the best route or should I heat up hide glue that I size the back with then size the under side of the sinew then wrap the bow up and let her sit for a month or so? or should I go with a 30, 60, or 90 minute epoxy and be done with it.

As the saying goes, " the shows not over till the fat lady sings" and I haven't heard her sing yet  :bigsmyl:  

  :help:  
Cooter
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Offline Flinttim

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2004, 06:22:00 AM »
No guarantees but here is what I done. Obviously the sinew is glued together well, so why not use it ? The bad bond was between the sinew and the wood. I scrubbed the wood with steel wool and acetone, scraping off the big hunks of glue. Let that dry well. Then I scraped the whole bow with a section of saw blade, really ruffing up the surface. I then wet the bow with a spary bottle of warm water, just a light misting. Let it soak in a while. While it is, mix up some glue. Use whatever you used on the sinew the first time. Make sure it's mixed right. I use a small pack of Knox in 1/4 cup of water and nuke it for 20 sec in the microwave. Your micro may be different just don't let it foam up. Now reflex the bow until it will mate up with the sinew . I tied mine down in the middle of the handle with twine and put wood blocks under the tips till it lined up. Once that is done sze the bow wood with hide glue. Just brush on a light coat end to end and let it tack up. Now bbrush on a thick coat of glue on the bow wood and the sinew. Make it heavy. Now line the two up and pinch them together in a few places with spring clamps, while you get busy wrapping with elastic. Ace type bandage from the Dollar Store works well. You might want to put a pc of wax paper over the sinew to save the elastic from sticking too much. As you do this you will see glue oozing up thru cracks and voids and holes in the sinew. GOOD ! This fills them but more importantly creates a good bond. Wrap it up and put it away for about a month and a half. (you can remove the wrapping in a couple of days) But don't screw with the bow for a month and a half. You've introduced a lot of water to the wood and it needs to dry out before handling. During that time if you see any edges that need attending you can work some glue up under them and rub them down while the glue dries.

Worked for me on a 50" hickory Modoc/Hupa type bow. 50# @ 26"
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Offline Marc

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2004, 06:41:00 AM »
Cooter
As Tim says. The sinew is already glued up. It will be like gluing a backing on wood.

Unless you are sure of getting a good fit then I would go with the Epoxy. In fact hide glue may give you fits since it will gell before you can lay the backing back down. If you had some liquid hide glue or some Fish glue then you may have better success since it will give you a longer work time to get things aligned. In any case make sure you prep the wood well, score then degrease.
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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2004, 09:04:00 AM »
Cooter; bummer, man. But the cooter-can-do attitude is great. Keep after it.

Marc-never thought of epoxy when mine came loose in a similar manner. That is a good tip, thanks for sharing it.
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Offline cooter

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2004, 09:32:00 AM »
Thanks guy's, I'll give that a try. Let me throw this out for comment. Ok, let say the back of the bow has had a hack saw blade dragged across it and has been degreased and everything is ready to go. Would it make some sense to take hot water(almost boiling) and with a towel dab it into the bow woods while trying to keep the sinew dry. This might help get the grain in the wood to raise on the bows back for a better bond between the bow and sinew. Then follow Tims advice on the application of the hide glue and bow wrapping? would it make some sense to use slightly hotter hide glue than what I used when apply the sinew the first time around? Again this might help in getting the hide glue to drawn into the sinew and further raise the grain in the wood for a better bond.

Lets just say I want to get all my ducks in a row before proceeding. if you know what I mean,

Thanks for the help,
Cooter
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Offline Marc

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Re: How to tiller a banana bow
« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2004, 09:47:00 AM »
Cooter
When I degrease an Oily wood such as Osage I use Lye and rinse with warm water for the very reason that you mention, it raises the grain of the wood. Something else is don't forget to degrease the underside of the sinew as it may have some oils from the Osage on it. I see no advantage in using hotter glue, you may want to use a thicker glue though. Once the backing is glued down and wrapped up you could warm the whole bow up to get the hide glue to re-liquify and get a proper bond.
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