Ken was kind enough to drop by the house a few minutes ago and let me lay hands on his creation.
With no shelf, no knock point, (and no skill8*) I managed to put one of my Judo's into a little black dirt clod sticking out of the fresh snow in my driveway.
It is a shooter and very quiet.
Kudo's Ken.
I'm betting that package of MouseKabob meat goes just as well. Thank You.
Scotty