bow hunting the sub 52" bow

[bjk]

Hey Foxbo,

Do you have any contact info on the new company?  I'm thinking hard on a real shorty and want to explore all options.

Thanks,
Brian

[trashwood]

Well I be danged.  I shot the two under tab tonight.  Hmmmmm I'm not sure why but the first thing I noticed was the 45#@28" bow I was shooting picked up an average of 9 fps.  My groups were very consistant after a little training period.  Infact the groups were good if not very good.  it took a little jockey'n to get my eye glasses, face, and anchor point all figured out.  after the break in period i started busting nocks at 12 yrds.  dang i may have to mover back.

I'm sold on the tab for 'em shorties.

Thanks for sharing Terry.  GOOD TIP

rusty

[trashwood]

btw the bow was a Super Magnum 48

rusty

[foxbo]

veachel@bellsouth.net

This is the email address to V.A. Proctor, the guy who bought out Harry Elburg. He's building all of Elburg's designs and was taught by Harry. He told me that the waiting list now was only a couple of months, but as soon as his bows catch on with archers, I'm sure that time will increase. I've seen his work and it's looks exactly like Harry's. Tell him Ed Carneal sent ya. He actually helped Harry build my 50"er.

[Littlefeather]

48"? Whew! This is gonna be a fun bow to build, I can tell already. I'll get her started this weekend. We might have to go through the instructions a little more after I get the tips tapered. I think my stave is roughed in at 1 1/2" right now. Gotta thin her slightly. Shouldn't take much. CK

[trashwood]

here is a cousin bow.  48" ntn in bodark.  it is 52#@27"  I had to flip the tips up to get it to 27" and add the 1/2" tip overlays.  since your going to 25" i don't thik you will need to.  ya could flip the tips up a little if you want to easy the string angle a little more.  since this one is bodark it is only 1&1/4" wide.  we gave ya another 1/8" width for your mulberry.

 http://www.trashwoodbow.com/javie05/shortsinew.jpg

 http://www.trashwoodbow.com/javie05/shortsinew2.jpg

[trashwood]

oh and i put on some brush bottoms.  ya can leave them off.  i don't think they help much on this short a bow.  it never gets in the brush anyways.

rusty

[bjk]

Thanks Foxbo...I'm looking hard at a Rodney Wright 46"er and want all the options I can look at.  I LOVE the short bows!

Thanks again,
Brian

[Littlefeather]

Rusty, can you post a side view strung and un-strung? That looks like a gravy bow to build. Yea right! Im betting tiller is gonna be fun on that shorty.

That taper is strange to me. The last couple of inches looks akward.

[Littlefeather]

What is the status of the wraps around the handle area? Decorative or saving grace? CK

[trashwood]

Decorative - solid little bow.  I'm at work now will post pics this PM

rusty

[Taran of Caer Dallben]

I shot a 48" Grozer Old Scythian last year through. You can pull it to 30"... Looks crazy, but it shoots well. Recently I noticed that I tend to press the arrow down with my forefinger (I shoot with a glove). I'll have to try the two-under-method, thanks for your ideas and experiences here.

Of course there still is the thumbring - use it and you will forget that a word like finger pinch ever existed. But of ocurse it means learning to shoot again right from the beginning...

[trashwood]

Stefan - I got an orinetal bow on my list of things to I want.  I'm gonna give it a try

rusty

[trashwood]

curtis I have had many "phases" in bow building.  this little bow comes from when I tiller the outer limbs a little stiff and working the center 1/2 of the bow very hard.  I'm still kinda in the phase on short sinew bows but I have the center 2/3 of the bow working now and the last 1/6 lenght of the each limb (1/6 lenght of the entire bow) a little stiffer.  

on self backed short bows I have the stress equal down the lenght of the bow.  on sinew bows that can take more stress there is sumping i like about a little stiffer outer limb

so ya getting to chose your profile.  this one is as stiff as I would ever make the outer limbs.  shoots good though and still quick after many many shots.  the other end of the spectrum would be a perfect piece of a circle.  that is hard to get when you are drawing a bow that is shorter than twice your draw lenght.  since this one is 48" with 1&1/2" lift in the tips it makes the outer limb look stiffer than they are but these are stiffer than mid-bow to start with.

 http://www.trashwoodbow.com/javie05/shortsinewbr.jpg

 http://www.trashwoodbow.com/javie05/shortsinewfd.jpg

[trashwood]

if ya compare the overdrawn bow (by design) profile with this little bow being draw have it's lenght ya can see that it conforms more to a circle

 http://www.trashwoodbow.com/javie05/shortbowfd.jpg

kinda confusing.   but if ya are drawing a bow that is shorter than twice your draw it is impossible to get it into a true circular tiller.  ya gotta over work it some where  

rusty

rusty

[trashwood]

sorry that should say to a bow being drawn half it lenght  DUH

rusty

[trashwood]

ya get it?  

rusty

[Littlefeather]

I got it. Just got in from irritating the local hogs. They busted me again.

I love the braced pic. Really cool look to it. Gonna ponder what you wrote about the tiller styles awhile. Think I'll ease out to the shop after I eat and get that Mullberry bending a bit. I suppose you want pics? LOL! That would put me on the spot wouldn't it. Thanks, CK

[Littlefeather]

I just reread your post. So, what is your feelings on designing the bow stiff for the last 1/6? Its not registering in my mind why it would not be beneficial? It seems it would be much better to have more working limb. I better go re-read again. I may be overthinking this.  CK

[slow walker]

Dang it Curtis,

Are you nuts?  Why to you neeeed a bow that short?  Sometimes I think you pick somethin' ya love and ask yourself "How can I make this harder for myself"  Luv ya man!  By the way this is your "therapist" talkin!!