getting mad at carbons

[dan ferguson]

Got some for christmas, Bemans great arrows I,m sure, I,ll srart from the top, Longbow, fastflight string, 1/8 from center, 70 lbs@28, arrows bareshafted good cut to 29" with 100 grain brass insert the problem they only weighed 505 grns with 125 grn point, so ordered 250 grn points got the weight to 630, Heck I have 350 grns up frount thats over half the arrow weight in the frount, I think they are going to show weak when I bare shaft tonight, I can still take 1/2" off. IS THIS RIGHT. They are 400 shafts size wise. HELP

[bayoulongbowman]

yep...that might not work...dont have chart , but that might be too much bow!

[JC]

I think 400's are too weak. If they bearshafted fine with 125 points going to 250, they will be waaay weak.

Beman 300's with 100gr insert, 200gr pt. fly great out of my 64@27 Morrison when cut to around 30". Total weight is 640gr.

I think you definately need to bump up at least to the 340's, depending on the efficiency of your bow, more likely 300's.

[Bjorn]

Dan, I ended up in exactly the same squeeze you describe. Depending on who gave them to you; shoot them light, or sell them and get stiffer shafting. Or, just go back to wood, which is what I did.

[Shawn Leonard]

I think ya may be good if yas cut 1/2" off and try 275 up front, ya had 225 up front and they bareshafted good ya said, not 125 correct? 275 should give ya around a 560 grain arrow that is 8gpp, ya may think it is light but with all that weight up front it will penetrate like a 660 grain arrow without the high FOC, try the 275 and cutting off a half inch. Shawn

[dan ferguson]

I,m going to take them to 28 1/2 and try them again tonight, might stiffen them up alittle more but JC your probably right to go 340, and Bjorn my woods are right inside the house and I know they fly right. I was under the usumption beings my bow is 1/8 from center I was going to need a weaker carbon. I have to get this right I gave this Christmas Idea to my wife and was tickeled she got me arrows

[Smallwood]

sounds like the 400's will be too weak for you. i'd try the 300's for your poundage/draw length.

[dan ferguson]

Shawn I think I,ll try your suggestion thanks.

[JC]

Shawn, I think he means going from 125 point to 250 point with same 100gr adaptor. I don't think a 1/2" is gonna fix doubling the point weight. My shrew 57@27 and ACS CX 57@27 both shoot the 400 axis with aluminum insert and 200 pt at a bit longer than 29...I just don't see how 400 could possibly be stiff enough even with a bow closer to center, for 100gr insert and 250 pt out of 70@28. I could be wrong, but I'd have to see it to believe it.

Dan, you can always try shimming the strike plate out some. Not the best way, but certainly works in a pinch.

[dan ferguson]

Conclusion, It ain,t going to happen, took the arrow to 28 1/2 bareshafted weak started to take the point weight down when I get them straight they are to light for this bow. I,ll get some 340,s and start over, I have one other bow its 60# these should work out of it, Its my retirement bow. Some day they might make a carbon that a person can cut to length put a stupid tip on it that will weigh what it should with all this crap. Ps If the 340,s don,t work I,ll have some carbons for sale, they started out at 45.00 but with all the add ons I think they are up to 400.00, A real deal there customs

[DanDaMan]

This is my first post, but been lurking for quite some time.  I ran into the same problem so I just put in some of the weight tubes.  3 rivers has 3, 5, and 8 grain per inch weight tubes that will kick your weight up without effecting your spine.

[mooseman76]

I tried the weight tubes and although they did increase the weight of my arrows they did weaken the spine as well.  I know they say no affect, but they did for me...Mike

[dan ferguson]

I did the weight tubes, then I used rope, they do help buid weight but I didn,t like the noise and the rope kept knocking the nocks out. I really thank every one for there help on this. I,ll go home and think about it awhile while I watch the woodies fly, then I,ll come back and try again

[Shawn Leonard]

I see that but he did say 100 insert and 125 point for 225. I shot the 400s for a lot of years out of my 60-65# recurves and 225 to 250 was needed up rfront. i believe Curt(Guru shoots the .400 deflection and he uses the same around 250 up front on a 29.5" arrow. I was thinking with an LB not cut to center they should definitely work even at 70#s, been wrong plenty though so we will see. I think it may work for him but like he sai, they are too light. Shawn

[dan ferguson]

I got home tonight went and got my other longbow 60# and they shot good out of it. the bareshaft hit straight and hit right with the fletched ones out to 25 to 30 yards, ordered some 340 size shafts, now if anyone wants to save me trouble please jump in these will be for the 70#. I just can,t get the wood and alum thing out of my head, I just hate shafts that are too long, I like that broadhead to touch my bowhand must be old school.

[dan ferguson]

Shawn I hope I didn,t confuse anyone on these I have 100 grn brass inserts along with 250 grn points. At 29 inches I felt I needed to add this much to get to 630 grns. I like to shoot this bow in the mid 600 to 700 grn range.

[wapiti]

Dan check your pm's.

[JC]

Shawn, in his initial post he's talking about trying to get it heavier and going from the 125point up to a 250 point. With the 250head and the brass insert (for 350 total up front) and a 400 spine with a 70# longbow cut past center, I just think it will be it too weak unless he really builds out the strike plate (even then I would love to see it just cause I can't imagine

Must just be a combination of differences in centershot and my heavy release: 400 axis with even just the standard aluminum insert and 200gr head will only work up to about 57@27 for my bows. The 340 axis with 100gr brass insert and 200gr head will not fly out of any of my bows over that weight...I have to jump up to the 300 axis to use the brass insert with my 200 gr heads and bows over the 57@27 mark. My new Morrison Shawnee/Dakota 59@27 loves the 340 at about 29" with regular aluminum insert and 200gr head...pretty cool bareshafting coke cans at 30 yards. Just wish they were about 40gr heavier without decreasing foc or changing the gorgeous flight I get now. Really, it's just another excuse to experiment!

Now the standard diameter Bemans do not have to be quite as stiff: the Beman ics 340s will shoot with a 50gr insert and 200gr head pretty good out of the 57@27 bows for me...but the durability of these thinner shafts lack a lot when compared to the axis, imho.

Just goes to show, lots and lots of variables, difficult to pinpoint it for each fellers different setup. Course...could just be me    

[dan ferguson]

JC, hey do I need to skip the 340 and go to 300, someone please save me another disaster, Let me tell you guys alittle about the bow. Its a moosejaw elite sort of, This bow was made by Gary Sentman for Gary, It not the standard Elite Its 69" true weight Is somewhere between 68 to 70, And gary told me if he could have taken it down to where he is at now on weight It would still be his. Not fancy came to me with blood on it but man does it shoot. help me out on this.

[JC]

Dan, call Bob Morrison at Morrison Archery, he sells axis arrows as singles and tuning kits: you could get 2 of each to play with and not break the bank. I'd offer to send you 2 but I don't have any of either that aren't already cut and you really should start from full length.