HH bug got me ... Part One!

[BigJ1632]

New guy here with the HH Bug.  Are there videos or books that display and discuss the shooting form that Hill used?  I hear a lot about the grip and whatnot, but I was wondering if there was an actual source that most refer to?  Thanks!

[swampthing]

There are a couple: Hitting'em Like Howard Hill, book and DVD along with "Straight Shooting" by John Schulz, "Hunting the Hard Way" by Hill, and you tube has a few vids of Howard shooting as well.

[khardrunner]

32" full length

[swampthing]

Must be the angle, that looks like more than 2" of deadwood hanging off the shelf.
  I can see how you pull 30" though, you go right on past the corner of the mouth, my elbow would yell bad words at me if I tried that.
A wise man once said: "Remember drawing an arrow more than 28" is a detriment not an asset."

[Brianlocal3]

The Misty Dawn is being final sprayed as we speak. Hows that for a wait time!!!!!  I will be leaving town for Christmas so I told James not to mail it untill the 26th.  68" 50@27 yew back and belly with red elm in between. All under clear glass!!!!!!

[Brianlocal3]

Bolivian rosewood riser.

[khardrunner]

I anchor into my mouth and at my cheek bone. I think it is the angle as I have measure it and videoed it many times with the same result.

[Kelly]

Originally posted by swampthing:
Must be the angle, that looks like more than 2" of deadwood hanging off the shelf.
  I can see how you pull 30" though, you go right on past the corner of the mouth, my elbow would yell bad words at me if I tried that.
A wise man once said: "Remember drawing an arrow more than 28" is a detriment not an asset."

Kyle;

I agree with Swampthing there is dead wood hanging over the back of your bow. Furthermore, those 3 shots had 3 different draw lengths with the first being the longest but only because you increased it slightly just before the release.

Full length shafts are 32" but after putting on tapers they make a 31" BOP arrow so I doubt your draw is a true 30". A side camera shot will surely tell the tale-even if it is just for yourself to really know your "true" draw length while you only think about shooting and NOT drawing the arrow back for draw length.

If you've shot this way for a long time it is very hard to change things. In order to make changes-if you want to-then your backstop needs no target and you just concentrate on your changes. The backwards movement of your drawing hand had different results with each shot, albeit slight but the last shot moved backwards the most.

Howard Hill said, "Both hands do nothing." upon release. And yes one can have proper back tension yet, still do nothing upon release. One's draw hand is nothing more than a hook and the only movement necessary is the release of the fingers.

Just watched it 3 more times and noticed you seem to be gripping with all fingers and quite hard at that. The bottom two fingers should do all the gripping and set that grip at your side before even drawing.

On your first shot the bow really jumps in your hand-on the other two it doesn't move so something changed in your grip from shot one to shot 2.

About your arrows and their spine. Of course I can't see the flight but they appear to be very close to me. Light spined arrows will really go through paradox and that can be see but I don't see any of that. Also there is no arrow noise that one gets from weak spined arrows. Judging from your brace height those are 5" fletchings, correct? Try some 5.5" which should improve your arrow flight.

[Kelly]

Originally posted by khardrunner:
I anchor into my mouth and at my cheek bone. I think it is the angle as I have measure it and videoed it many times with the same result.

But were you measuring it and videoing it just to see what your draw length was? and not actually concentrating on aiming/shooting? If that is the case one's draw length will always be longer than one's "True" draw length when in the act of aiming/shooting. This is why Swampthing and I see dead wood in front of your bow-very close to 2".

[khardrunner]

My arrow flight is good with these. They are carbons so they are 32" bop. There is no taper. When i check draw length it is when pretending to shoot or by video taping when I shoot.

I think you are right with my consistancy. Ive only been shooting lefty for a little while and I find that i need to continue to work on that. Thanks

[Blaino]

Khardrunner- I'll put my 2 cents in. Everything looks great! You look natural to me except I can see the concentration on your face. That's a good thing. Now if you shoot the same way for 30 years their ain't no tellin how accurate you can be. I'd keep on keepin on.....

When you come these parts we gotta get up and sling a few!  

[khardrunner]

I won't be down to SC again until this summer when I visit family. Maybe we can work something out then.

Shooting lefty certainly isn't as natural as righty, and I have to mess with some eye dominance stuff since I am RE dominant. I'm getting the picture though. Pun intended :-)

[Overspined]

Kyle, I give you props for switching hands.  Pavan did/does this too.  I shoot both hands and the RE Dom shooting leftie make me use a secondary point of reference (arrow) to hit decent.   I'd say you are rocking.  I can't fling near the # of arrows leftie.

[WESTBROOK]

Lookin good Kyle, especially for being forced to shoot lefty,just keep at it  and the consistancy will come.  The only thing I see is that maybe your gripping the the bow a little tight, can cause the bow to do funny things on release.

 

A wise man once said: "Remember drawing an arrow more than 28" is a detriment not an asset."

I'll call BS on that! A properly tuned arrow is just that, a properly tuned arrow, regardless of draw length or how much is hangin over the shelf.

Eric

[SportHunter]

Form is looking good Kyle. That reminds me I have to tear myself away from work an get back to fun. Merry Xmas to all!

[Kelly]

Originally posted by khardrunner:
My arrow flight is good with these. They are carbons so they are 32" bop. There is no taper. When i check draw length it is when pretending to shoot or by video taping when I shoot.

I think you are right with my consistancy. Ive only been shooting lefty for a little while and I find that i need to continue to work on that. Thanks

Well if the arrows were carbons then you definitely were not drawing 30" because I was figuring an inch plus for field points.

Like I said before if you are checking draw length when that is in your mind everyone overdraws just to make sure.

"True" draw is when you are not thinking one little iota about what your draw length is-just shooting.

[Kelly]

That said, there is nothing wrong if one is not drawing what they think they should!

All in all you are doing real well for switching to left handed. Just curious what size carbons are you using?

[Hawken1911]

I was finally able to get the job done this season with my HH 'Robin Hood'.  It was a nice primer for the upcoming Hill Gang Hog Hunt, although I'm hoping to take one more deer here in Michigan before the season ends.
 

[Bob B.]

Nice deer, great job!  Man that is a huge broadhead!!  Good on ya!!  I love that you got it with a Hill Robin Hood ... man that is a sexy bow.

Bob.

[Brianlocal3]

GREAT JOB!!!! I agree with Bob, that BH is huge. And the robin hood is a sweet bow.  Way to put it all together