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Offline Rossco7002

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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12920 on: February 09, 2013, 12:44:00 PM »
I'm really leaning towards the Old Tom but the Schulz is always waiting in the wings for a last minute change of mind.

If anyone is interested to shoot a particular bow I'd bring it along too.....

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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12921 on: February 09, 2013, 12:47:00 PM »
I've been doing a little more reading in Hunting the Hard Way and Hill talks about his method of ground hunting and a weird walk he used to not make noise in the woods. Does anyone have any info on this?
I’m really new to hunting in general (never been successful) and don't really know the techniques for ground hunting. All I know is I make too much noise in the woods even when I am trying to be quiet.   :biglaugh:

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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12922 on: February 09, 2013, 01:56:00 PM »
Howard stalked "Indian" style, which requires a little practice (and balance), but it certainly quiets the footsteps in the field.  Basically, the idea is to place the ball of the foot, which is the roundish muscle at the base of the big toe on the ground first, then roll forward and out (away from the big toe) onto the toes.  In normal everyday walking we place the heel of the foot on the ground then roll onto our toes.  There are several reasons why you should place the ball of the foot down first when stalking:

1) The ball of is much more sensitive than the heel.  It is much easier to detect things like sticks, stones and other potentially noisy debris with the ball of the foot.  When you feel something under the ball you can easily adjust your step to miss that obstruction.

2) By placing the ball down first you are walking with a drastically reduced footprint which limits the amount of ground surface the foot contacts during the step.  Less surface area should mean less noise.  Only about 1/3 of the foot contacts the ground with this stalking method.

Now remember that Native Americans, for the most part, walked barefoot so the sensitivity of the foot was higher than if one was wearing shoes.  Wearing thin soled shoes will allow the wearer to feel debris underfoot much easier.  

A very important aspect of this stalking style is balance.  If you try to stalk rather stiff legged standing straight up like you do when you walk normally it won't really work.  Your balance will be thrown off as you try to walk on your toes.  In order to stay balanced you need to crouch a bit by bending at the knees and bending at the waist to place your center of gravity over the feet.  You're going to look a bit odd, but this technique works really well.  It does take a bit of practice, so I try to use it when I'm out hiking around the woods when nobody's looking    :D   Good luck.
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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12923 on: February 09, 2013, 03:12:00 PM »
The right shoes make a huge difference.  the LL bean maine shoe is the very best I have found.
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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12924 on: February 09, 2013, 03:14:00 PM »
The G. Fred Asbell book, Stalking and Still hunting is one of the best purchase you can make to learn the method.
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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12925 on: February 09, 2013, 03:51:00 PM »
I agree with ChrisM that the Maine Hunting Shoe has a great sole for stalking.  It's very flexible rubber with the chain link tread.  You can feel a lot in these boots.  

When it's relatively dry around here I hike around in these.  Woolrich plaid Converse All-Stars.  They are a great shoe to stalk in, but I haven't tried them yet in a hunting situation.  Usually a little too cold, but they are incredibly quiet and flexible.  

 
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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12926 on: February 09, 2013, 03:54:00 PM »
Plaid shoes.  It don't get any better than that.  Too cool!!!

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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12927 on: February 09, 2013, 04:03:00 PM »
Like Chris said, the Maine Hunting boot is hard to beat, they are different from the regular Bean boots in that they have a softer sole.

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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12928 on: February 09, 2013, 05:02:00 PM »
In Florida and Louisiana I wear Bayou boots. Very comfortable
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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12929 on: February 10, 2013, 10:23:00 AM »
When the weather is warm enough, you can't beat indoor soccer shoes (I wear Sambas) for flexibility and sensitivity.
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Offline C.Cannon

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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12930 on: February 10, 2013, 03:06:00 PM »
Ill have to try some of those shoes out. I would wear toe shoes but I'm afraid of stepping on a copperhead or something   :biglaugh:

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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12931 on: February 11, 2013, 05:19:00 PM »
Uncle Howard's old Indian way of walking quietly with any type of shoe/boot makes for the quietest walking/staking for me.  I have used it for years and once you get used to it, it becomes second nature.

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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12932 on: February 11, 2013, 07:22:00 PM »
Anyone know what kind of finish John Shulz used on his Ol'Favorite no glass longbows. I've decided to keep mine and would love to learn more about it. It is Yew backed with bamboo with a high gloss finish.
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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12933 on: February 11, 2013, 07:38:00 PM »
New Cheetah arrived today. 66", t/d, 55@28, with cocobolo riser. Juniper limbs are all I hoped for; very nice! Took it out and shot it, and it is going to be a winner; silent, hits with authority, and has some handshock but nothing that will be a hindrance. Either I tolerate handshock well, or it just isn't that bad.
 
 
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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12934 on: February 11, 2013, 07:50:00 PM »
Gotta love that juniper, congrats, very nice,,,,,, I thought Cheetahs were supposed to be fast? I can't decide which model will be my next Hill, either a Half breed or a Cheetah....... or maybe a Rhino, it's so hard to decide!
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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12935 on: February 11, 2013, 10:43:00 PM »
Long stick...I have heard he used automobile clear coat material.

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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12936 on: February 12, 2013, 12:49:00 AM »
Long Stick, Why don't you contact David Miller of Miller longbows, and ask him?
He was a student of Schulz, and makes up a bow patterned after the Schulz Favorite.
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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12937 on: February 12, 2013, 08:28:00 AM »
Pat... that's a sweetheart!
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Offline MikeNova

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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12938 on: February 12, 2013, 08:35:00 AM »
Long Stick i asked Miller the same question before he told me Fuller plast.

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Re: HH bug got me ... Part One!
« Reply #12939 on: February 12, 2013, 08:41:00 AM »
Ralphie,

Thanks I just sent him an email, I appreciate it !
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