HH bug got me ... Part One!

[ChrisM]

Hey guys what draw length and arrow length makes that work.  It seems that I am only drawing around 26" with my hill bow.

[Blueridge]

Craig suggests 5# over draw wt. I realize that can vary with arrow length, diff point wt. but it's a good rule of thumb.
I've found that my Hills are not real picky and shoot a wide range of shafts well.  My draw weights are 56 and 61 at 28"
You just have to experiment .

With a Hill bow and a shorter draw it is easier to get too stiff than too light a spine.  At 26" 10 pounds under is a good place to start with a 26.5" to 27" bop.

[David Mitchell]

Ya' know, I figure there is a reason those shafts are called "50-55# spine."  Must be for 50-55# bows.  :D  I cut my shafts to 29" back of point and shoot 125-145 gr. points.  Simple, huh?

[David Mitchell]

[coyote1956]

ttt not to drop to back page   Ken

[Mudd]

I need to get the camera out and get some shots of my hills as a group.

I love them all but my Half Breed has floated to the top of my hill list.

God bless,Mudd

[Nate Steen .]

guys,

when shooting woodies out of a hillstyle bow, the corresponding spine that matches the bow will usually work because:

a 28" arrow bop is actually 29" including the shaft inside the head...meaning it's 5# weaker than stated, which is good because the bows aren't cut to center and need a little more flex. This matches up to what Craig states..

 If you have an arrow 29" bop, the shaft is actually 30", meaning it's 10# lighter than stated, which would mean that your shooting form likes weak arrows. This is all fine.  If you are shooting heavier points than 125 gr. this weakens the shaft even more.  Most guys forget about the shaft inside the head....

Rik,  you are a anomaly in shooting....I mean this in a good sense.  Your bows are 75# @ 28", yet you draw around 27" when you release, meaning your bow is around 71 - 72#.  Remember, I've seen this....lol.   You are cutting your shafts to 29" bop, meaning the shaft is 30" long for spine.  Normally this would mean that your arrows 70/75 spine are actually 60/65 spine for 30"...shooting out of a 71-72# bow, with broadheads of 160 gr. weakening the arrow even more....How are you shooting 55-60# arrows out of your 72# bow?  I do not know.  Kelly didn't know either...however, I've seen you shoot, and the arrows fly straight....go figure.  This is why archery is an individual sport and we each have to shoot what works for us....

[stik&string]

 This is why archery is an individual sport and we each have to shoot what works for us....

       

[Rik]

Anomaly?

Actually, I prefer to think of myself as "Abby-Normal." It has a better ring to it!

To further compound the issue, I get that kind of arrow flight with three four-inch feathers. Back when I shot deflex-reflex longbows, I had to shoot three five-inch feathers to get really good arrow flight. Once I switched to Howard Hill bows, I was able to use four-inch fletch.

Being able to shoot with less fletching despite the Hill bows being cut farther from center than other bows doesn't quite make sense to my abby-normal brain, but it does work.

P.S. If you want to make Kelly really scratch his head, ask him how come his carbon arrows were only good for three our four shots from my Hill bow before breaking, while his wood arrows would last for months and months.

[Blueridge]

Hey Mudd, just got my Redman in. Can I send you some pics to post?

[Nate Steen .]

Rik,

I guess I'll have to assume that you are getting perfect arrow flight because....you're just that good!!!!!

[Mudd]

Originally posted by Blueridge:
Hey Mudd, just got my Redman in. Can I send you some pics to post?

You bet!

Send them on!

God bless, Mudd

[Mudd]

Here you go Blueridge.

Nice looking Redman I must say!

 
 
 

God bless,Mudd

[Blueridge]

Where did they go? Oh well, just finished shooting it and wow is it smooth. 55#@28" and the full grip is real good. Not sure where the pics are but thanks Mudd

[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by sunset hill:
...   You are cutting your shafts to 29" bop, meaning the shaft is 30" long for spine.  Normally this would mean that your arrows 70/75 spine are actually 60/65 spine for 30"...shooting out of a 71-72# bow, with broadheads of 160 gr. weakening the arrow even more....How are you shooting 55-60# arrows out of your 72# bow?  I do not know.  Kelly didn't know either...however, I've seen you shoot, and the arrows fly straight....go figure.  This is why archery is an individual sport and we each have to shoot what works for us....

i also can, and do, shoot very weak shafts w/hefty front end weights and achieve arrows that "fly on rails" out of most any kinda stick bow.

imho, a good half of the "what arrow will work well with my bow" question is ... the shooter ... and far too much time is wasted on charts and tables and diagrams.  not that those things are bad, they're ball park at worst, usually.

as always, ymmv.  

[Blueridge]

Where did they go? Oh well, just finished shooting it and wow is it smooth. 55#@28" and the full grip is real good. Not sure where the pics are but thanks Mudd

Blue!
Happy for you buddy...  

I also wonder what happened to the pics.

I suspect Mudd will fix it soon enough.

[Blueridge]

Thanks Tony . Just took my bird dog out for a run and shot it while he was sniffin around. I am sold on Craigs bows.

[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by Blueridge:
Thanks Tony . Just took my bird dog out for a run and shot it while he was sniffin around. I am sold on Craigs bows.

you shot your dog???????????    

 :D