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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2004, 08:19:00 AM »
Curt... I've thought about it and each story I write goes into a collection. Maybe one day, but I'll have to be more disciplined as a writer or it would never get done.  :D  

And yes, there is more to the story.  :rolleyes:
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2004, 08:41:00 AM »
Charlie,

That is an amazing story unfolding and delightful.    :D  Carnage and mayhem with a bow!

I'm just jacked I never thought of the possibility of using a bow out in MT... but where we were, all the resident populations would duck into holes the minute we skylined sometimes as much as 200 yards away!  :eek:  

Being they were on public ground, I guess they got whailed on a goodly amount!  Up on the Belknap (?) Reservation north of  Billings, we'd be shooting and then turn our attention to another direction. When we'd turn back, coyotes, badgers and prarie falcons would be devouring them... I never saw them draggin off their own dead... now that is bizarre! Gak!  :(    The Belknap was likely the most vast area of gophers I've ever seen...and if memory serves me, we did lament our lack fo handguns cause we did have some around us close... but alas, it was mostly a flyfishing trip via commercial aircraft so even long guns were a hassle even back in 92'.   :rolleyes:  

What a story... keep em comin Charlie...

BTW, how'd ya explain that streak of gut juice atween yer knees to the wife when ya got home?  :eek:    :D
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2004, 08:56:00 AM »
Ew.
By this time she knows the "Don't ask, don't tell" drill!

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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2004, 09:09:00 AM »
Dave... I'm not sure we're talking about the same critter. Are you sure you're not thinking about prairie dogs. There is a huge difference in their demeanor.
Where I hunted them, the ground squirrels (my notes tell me they are the Richardson's variety) weren't all that skittish.
They were a little spooky first thing in the spring when they first appeared above ground. Windy and cloudy days made 'em goosey too. But later in the summer they they got almost friendly.
The difference between shooting them when they were relaxed or wired was usually 10 to 15 yards when relaxed and 20 yards and up when they were wired.
Prairie dogs on the other hand can be real unsociable. I've seldom been into them when you could get shooting closer than 30 yards. Where they get hammered by riflemen, they are a lot harder to approach.
I'm meeting up with Curtis Kellar and possibly Paul Brunner next month for some rock chuck'n and ground squirrel chasin. It will be a first for Curtis. Wait till I get him up in those Wyoming "hills" with my new nonsmokin old self.

The wife at that time (now the X) was way past asking about silly things like blood and gore covering my pants legs.  :D  

I'll get more story up in a bit.
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2004, 11:45:00 AM »
Nope, Charlie, ours were the "columbian 13 stripe variety around Helena and there abouts, as I was told. Never checked out their actual linage.  :)  Also called "picket pins" cause they were so small they looked like the pins used to picket a horse on the prarie when there were no trees.

They got shot at lots around me...up the contental divide on Rt. 90 outa Helena toward Missoula by the Microwave towers, and all up along the road from Helena to Great Falls...also down by Boulder MT... they were lousy with them in the small valleys up that way.

They'd sometimes come out in the winter... on top snow if it got a Chinook warm spell.  Then guys would take off work to "paint the snow".    :eek:  

What was out on the Belknap reservation may have been prarie dogs, I can't remember... I'd left MT in 84', I think, and that was an invite to go back in 92' and guide a friend where I used to flyfish guide and we took the rifles along.  He's scoped out the Belknap and they may indeed have been prarie dogs that far East... come to think of it.

It was late summer and the folks I knew told me the picket pins (ground squirrels) had gone underground to weather out the hottest months.

That last trip West was the only time I ever got on Prarie Dogs (at Belknap).  The rest of the time was early spring and early summer for them 3" wide by 7" tall (max) ground squirrels!

When we went back, in 92' we were told the forest service had exterminated all the ground squirrels! I had to go check and not even the mounds were there anymore.  :(

I still find it amazing that you whacked them li'l farts with a bow!!!  Hat's off ta ya, Sire!
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2004, 12:04:00 PM »
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2004, 03:07:00 PM »
OK, here’s a question for the squirrel hunters.  Anyone ever try eating the little diggers?  In the books by S. Pope and H. Hill they spoke of eating them; Hill especially.  It was during WWII and meat and gas rationing were screwed down tight.  He and some buddies used to camp for several days at a time in the southern CA desert and hunt both cotton tailed rabbits and GROUND SQUIRRELS for the meat.  

I’ve eaten many a gray tree squirrel, grew up hunting them in fact; but I’ve never had the nerve to try a ground squirrel.  If they are indeed good to eat, there’s no need for anyone to go hungry around here!  Renewable resource.
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2004, 05:13:00 PM »
Bob,
I grew up in ground squirrel infested country.We had em in everything and couldnt kill em off fast enough.I never heard of anyone ever eating them.I grew up around a lot of old timers who would eat stuff you wouldn't believe,and they wouldn't eat em.Must be a reason for it.I do know that they can be carriers of Bubonic plaugue,So be carefull in handlin em.Charlie is right about them bein cannabalistic little buggers,most the ones dead on the road,got that way eatin on the previous roadkill.
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2004, 09:08:00 PM »
Like I said, I’ve never had the nerve to try one.  I’ve seen them eating each other (and other unmentionables) along the side of the road, and I’m aware that they can carry plague and other diseases.  Apparently Hill and Pope and company weren’t so picky!   "[dntthnk]"
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2004, 07:48:00 AM »
I've heard some old timers in Wyoming talk about eating them during the depression years, but never new anyone who had done it recently.
I don't see why they wouldn't be just fine, although a bit small!

There are so many varieties of ground squirrels. I think the ones mentioned by Pope and Hill were much different than the one's I shot in Wyoming. Chet Stevenson wrote of shooting squirrels in Oregon which lived in trees and also seemed to go to ground.
I know the ground squirrels I saw while in the Marine Corps in southern California were a lot bigger than the Wyoming variety and looked a lot like our midwestern fox squirrels.
I've shot thirteen lined ground squirrels in Iowa and northern Missouri which were smaller and warier than the Richardson's of the west.
All I know is that the one's I shot were pestiferous and prolific and I've shot thousands in my life.

Now for the stories conclusion.

We stretched lunch into an hour and even thought about snoozing for a while. The music coming from that little crystal clear stream was about half rock and roll and half lullaby. The spot we’d picked to sit and eat still gave us a clear view of the meadow and the temptation to be up and back at the diggers was just too much. We sat there on the bank
cleaning arrows in the little creek. It didn’t take long in the arid air for the feathers to dry so they could be slipped back in our quivers.
Larry was ahead of me by a good dozen squirrels and I knew I was gonna have to hustle to even think about finishing with the hundred we set as our goal.
When a squirrel ran out in the grass not ten yards from us, lunch was over. All of a sudden!
I slid an arrow across the bow as I rose to one knee. The heavy bow came back to anchor with only slight complaint from my now aching shoulders and I let the shot slip when everything was lined up.
The arrow skipped off the squirrels head and left him twitching his last in the grass. I looked at Larry and smiled as if it was all just that easy and the hunt was back on.

Truth be known, I was more than a little sore after our brief rest and I didn‘t hit another shot for at least the next six attempts.
Each shot was becoming more of an effort to reach full draw and stretch back into the shot.
A hot spot had developed on the palm of my left hand just down from the web. The rough leather of the grip was wearing a blister there and it was beginning to hurt..
The bowstring, which couldn’t have been over a couple of weeks old, was showing signs of extreme wear just below the center serving.
The arrows that hung over my shoulder at my right ear were for the most part not near as neat and pretty as they should be for being so new. By now they all showed matted, stained fletch from the carnage. Whether they had been involved in any killing or not, enough gore had been transferred from one to another that I couldn’t find an arrow that didn’t give me a whiff of squirrel as the fletch came back under my nose at full draw. It was starting to get to me.
By mid afternoon Larry and I got the feeling that we were approaching our goal. We gathered up squirrels from the different piles and brought them to a more central location, getting an accurate count as we went.
As close as we could figure, we were about even and still a little shy of the goal number.
The hot spot on my palm a few hours before had long ago turned into a dime sized blister then broke and rubbed more till a bloodstained spot showed on the bow’s grip. (and still does to this day) The string had given up two strands to the chafing of my armguard and I’d cut them free with my pocket knife.
My pants reeked and my quiver reeked, my fingers were sore and altogether this had turned into some kind of obscene chore. Driven by something that I no longer understood, if in fact I ever really had. But I was intent on finishing this thing, whatever it was and I would stay until I did.
I remember it taking a lot longer than it should have to kill that last half dozen squirrels. A few times I let the string slip away before I was really ready because of the painful blister or because I was just tired or because the smell on the fletching now was making me want to hurl.
My shots went high and left and right. Seldom missing low, which might have skipped and given me a hit. No the last ones weren’t coming easy at all.
Finally, when I was sure I’d done it, when I just knew I had killed one hundred of the little diggers I went ahead and shot two more.

We got our final tally for the day. Larry had taken 120 with his compound and I had 102 with my longbow. Pictures were taken for the record and because we took pictures of everything in those days and we policed up the pile of little bodies.
We deposited them off in the brush away from the pastures that held stock and away from the road. It was obvious that they wouldn’t last long. The coyotes and skunks and buzzards would feast on them for a day or two and in the end no record of our deed would exist, except the pictures and the memories.

It took a while to shoot up all of the arrows that survived that days shooting. My jeans washed up ok and the blister on my palm eventually healed, but I didn’t shoot another ground squirrel that summer and never again would I encounter them in the numbers that we had found on that ranch.
It was obvious that we had put a dent in the rodent population there and we had free run on that ranch from that day on.
I think about that day a lot. Think about my youth and how my perspective on hunting has changed. I think about the friend who went on to become a Baptist missionary far up the Amazon River and I smile because it’s all good.
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2004, 08:37:00 AM »
You DO have a way with the penned word, Charlie!

Thanks for the ride-along!   :D
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2004, 09:09:00 AM »
Well, I found the pictures from that day and when my scanner gets back on line I'll put them up... for what it's worth.
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2004, 09:23:00 AM »
Now, thats what Im talking about! When you have blisters from shooting at so much game you know you've done sumtin! Great story buddy, even though I've heard it told first hand before. CK

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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2004, 09:41:00 AM »
Wow!

My hand hurts! I smell gutshots! What a feeling you must get when you see that bloodstained grip peeking from the bowrack.

It's a collective memory now, thanks for sharing!

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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2004, 09:57:00 AM »
Charlie ,got smart this time  :D   waited for page 3 made for an easy read and no wait   :D  .
congrats on the quitting . did that 15 years ago next month smoked over a pack a day for 21 years  . watched my Dad die from lung cancer on day and my brother said we had to quit as he didn't want to do this again i got off them but he hasn't   :(  .
one tip i didn't pay attention to my weight , busy all the time went form 265# to 367# been a lot over 300# ever since . can't seem to loose it and sure makes life a lot harder .so keep up the hunting the activity will help a lot .
more stories please  now that i have forund the secret   :D  ----- herb
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2004, 10:03:00 AM »
Great story Charlie!! For those thinking about traveling out "West" be sure and take your bows cause I gotta tell ya that Charlie didn't even put a dent in the populations out here. We've killed a few thousand here, (mostly by far with 22's) and it's hard to even tell. Great fun and practice with the bow. They use any means available to try and control em so most any rancher with a problem will let you hunt the little rascals.
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2004, 10:31:00 AM »
Thanks for the story Charlie. Don't start smoking but go ahead and quit again so we get another story.  :)

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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2004, 10:34:00 AM »
a friend of mine joined some group called National Varmit Hunters Assn. (or some similar moniker) and they had a very nice magazine.  

He shard them for a spell some time back and in there, mid 90's, they were saying that ranchers were seeing a gold mine in them pesky varmits and were "leasing day shooting rights" to groups to come whail on em with long range weapons of the super accuracy ilk!  There were actually guys who "outfitted" for varmit hunts. Guys would take several rifles and rotate them when the barrels got too hot!  :scared:  Now that is committment!

Is that still prevelant or did that pass like a fad?  Again, memory may have been for "dog towns" instead of the li'l ground squirrel colonies, but I didn't think so... yet, after 50..memory and all that... but I forget exactly what the malise was?    :bigsmyl:
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2004, 07:32:00 PM »
Doc... I've seen some TV coverage of prairie dog shooting get togethers. Kinda flyin in the face of animal rights groups with it.

I finally got the computer glitches fixed and thought I'd put up a couple of pictures to go with the story.

Like I said, the squirrels I was shooting were of the Richardson's ground squirrel variety. This is what they look like. For scale you'll have to imagine that they are only about 2 inches wide and about 6 inches tall.
 

Here's the one of Larry and I after the days shooting.
We decided that there was too much gooey stuff to handle and we only put up a hundred of the squirrels to represent the hunt.

 

Now to see if it worked.
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Re: The great ground squirrel massacree!!
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2004, 07:35:00 PM »


Ok, got it done... with minimal headache!!  :D
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