Worst Idea Ever...HUNTING ALERT!!! READ & EMAIL!

[Bill Carlsen]

I know many here believe that this is cruel and unusual punishment for the wildlife involved. When Fred Bear was playing with the "pod" one of the questions that came up was who was going to be responsible for the drugs, their use and missuse? Are we so gullible to think that if a person can get the drugs for hunting that that is what they will use them for. How about using it in crimes like rapes and robberies and generalized may hem. Can you see a car full of teenagers riding thru mall parking lots taking out shoppers. After all, it is just harmless stuff, whatever it is. Right now they do it with BB guns and paintball....why not tranquilzers?

[vermonster13]

Slim have you read the whole premise of this hunt? Do you fully understand what they are trying to do? I ask because I have seen this response elsewhere and then ten minutes later after taking the time to read everything the person has comeback with a much different opinion on this thing.

[Ray Hammond]

Slim, by your reasoning then we should never take a stand on ANYTHING?

Saying that hunting is changing is one thing- but hunting for MONEY, PRIZES, CHICKS- and doing it inside an enclosure? I am against high fence hunting even if its non lethal. I don't think too many people are AGAINST money making- but let's get real: this guy is trying to make hunting a spectator sport like wrestling.

Do we not have the right to say "enough is enough?" I am against crossbows in archery season...should I stop worrying about that also because the market place will take care of it?

How about child pornography on the net? Should we stop letting the police run sting operations to catch these wackos- I don't think the market place can fix this, do you? I mean, sometimes you HAVE to take a stand because what you fight against will do irreparable harm to something you care about and no matter what the marketplace does AFTER the harm is done, it will take forever to regain the sympathies of the public. I for one don't want to have to work that hard to get BACK to where we are NOW.

I don't think anybody said " ANYTHING GOES" - we were talking about hunting costing more money to do now than it did in the past.

[DeanD]

Slim,

I think I understand what you are saying and I don't think folks are against any entrepreneur making a buck.  But, it's "how" you make that buck that counts.  

As always there are multiple pieces to the puzzle of conservation all going back to Aldo Leopold's thought of Land Ethic.  Leopold stated we are in community with eachother but also the land and all the resources thereof.  The abuse and misuse of any part of that community should concern us because it is "our community."  To shoot a deer with a dart and put it to sleep for "big money" seems to me to be an abuse of that animal.

A true entrepreneur should and usually does bring something to the greater good of the community.  This idea has the potential for great detriment for the community of the animals involved and the community of us as hunters for the future.  

It's my belief that the "Greater Good" is not served well by this idea.  That is why I stand opposed to it.  Not because someone is trying to make money, but because it is being done in an irresponsible fashion.

Dean

[Double Creek]

From what I hear, all their sponsors have backed out...  They are still dispicable for agreeing in the first place!

[Jake H]

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[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by Slim Buttes:
OK, so let me get this straight. Some are against some entrepenor(sp) from making some money. Some on this very site have made it clear that hunting is changing and that if some want to make a buck it so be it-- is the way it is in America. Also the competition is what makes America great.

I'm sure I will be blasted for my thoughts, but I think some are being a bit hypocritical. If you do not support this worldhunt idea look at their sponsor list and let them know that you will know longer "sponsor" them. Let the market decide. Taking a poll on espn or anywhere else won't change things. You vote everyday when you purchase products and support a business.

Just because we don't want to take part in what worldhunt has to offer does not mean others won't, and if it flurishes it will be just one more of a long list of activities that others participate in that I don't.

Finally, I do not support what worldhunt is pushing.

Slim, with all due respect, Sir - what's yer point?  

The WHA is either a good thing, a benign thing or a bad thing for hunting - take yer pick.  

This has nothing to do with free capitalistic entrepreneurship.  

It has everything to do with ethics, greed and the sport of hunting in the US of A.

IMO, the WHA is trying to combine hunting and Hollywood - at hunting and hunters expense - so that WHA can make MONEY.  No thanks.  It's either them or me, and I choose me.  

And as you stated, that's yer final choice, too.  Good.

[knife river]

ESPN has a membership forum.  One other guy posted something in supprt of the WHA.  This was my reply:

The World Hunting Association disgusts me. At best, it's extremely unethical. It's an obscene perversion of true hunting. The WHA is to hunting what gang rape is to a first kiss. Every true sportsman should be outraged by this. This isn't hunting: this is WWF inside a deer pen. Shame on ESPN for not immediately condemning it. No sponsor of the WHA will ever get another penny from my family. I encourage every sportsman who is concerned about hunting to fight the WHA.


You other folks might also consider logging on to ESPN's member forum and posting your thoughts.

[Forester]

The following words are from the CEO of "worldhunt":

Now is the time for all hunters to stand together, shoulder to shoulder.  While new ideas and change
can sometimes be uncomfortable, this is a great opportunity for hunters to elevate the sport, clear up
misconceptions, and expand the next generation of hunters.

Let us unite as hunters and work together to grow the sport.  I welcome your feedback and suggestions
as we are building the tour. Please send feedback to [email protected].  When we launch
the first event in the fall, it will be our tour, designed especially for hunters like us.
We should all be proud.


Sincerely,


David Farbman
Commissioner and CEO, WHA


I think his words have a ring of truth and we should all stand together and show him his intentions are headed 180 degrees in the wrong direction.  Flod his own e-mail as well as his sponsors and the media that is carrying this story.

[Killdeer]

The motivation for hunting should never be money.
The motivation for hunting should never be "chicks". (That is a euphemism.)
The motivation for hunting should never be fame.

Hunting is a way to reconnect with our Creator, and the roots of our creation. It is a reaching out and touching of the Source of all our sustenance. To prostitute it in this way abases the animals, the land, and all who participate. It sickens the soul.

 

Killdeer~The Fire burns purely in the woods, and the Moon is watching. Who would deface this beauty?

[insttech1]

Clint--no problem!!

[vermonster13]

Xtreme Scents Pulls WHA Sponsorship

I just got an email from Jeff Stawiarski CEO of Xtreme Scents.

They are issuing a press release that they also have dropped their sponsorship of the WHA. They say they agree with the feedback from the hunting industry.

Another one down!!!!

[Jake H]

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[Jake H]

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[DeanD]

Jake,

Wow.

Dean

[kyle]

This is the way I look at it Slim.

As Aaron Tippin put it.
YOU'VE GOT TO STAND FOR SOMETHING, OR YOU'LL FALL FOR ANYTHING.

[vermonster13]

The Michigan Veterinary Association is now looking into this and the licensing issues for any Vet that participates. No playing around, sic the big guns on these folks, also sent them the ranch name.

[tamure]

Good idea on the vet ethics part!

I just got an email from Safari Club saying they are preparing a statement for release this week opposing WHA.

   

[Jake H]

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[Luke Vander Vennen]

Go Jaela Go!!