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Re: Worst Idea Ever...HUNTING ALERT!!! READ & EMAIL!
« Reply #260 on: June 13, 2006, 07:44:00 PM »
We have sent a few hundred e-mails to ESPN asking them to remove the poll until they can post a reliable one, seems they listened.

As of right now everyone of the listed sponsors has distanced themselves from the WHA. I also now have the Michigan Veterinarian Association investigating this ranch and any vets they may claim are going to be working for this on ethics violations.
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« Reply #261 on: June 13, 2006, 07:54:00 PM »
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Re: Worst Idea Ever...HUNTING ALERT!!! READ & EMAIL!
« Reply #262 on: June 13, 2006, 07:58:00 PM »
Guys I just got some real disturbing news that I am unable to share yet until some more confirmation. All I can say is every archery related, hunting related, and so on company you can think of needs to be told what the repurcussions are of dealing with the WHA. Also do not I repeat do not let your guard down with any company that has so far claimed to have dropped sponsorship. There are some things going on behind the scenes that are very alarming. I'll reveal more as I am able.
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Re: Worst Idea Ever...HUNTING ALERT!!! READ & EMAIL!
« Reply #263 on: June 13, 2006, 08:01:00 PM »
After reading through this thread, I'll keep it short and sweet. First, thanks for bringing to light this ignorant idea that this moron came up with, thanks for the form letter Rob, thanks to those getting all the info and updates to us on this whole insane concept, and thank God for TG and all the people involved who all seem to be on the same page. Keep on Keepin' On.
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Re: Worst Idea Ever...HUNTING ALERT!!! READ & EMAIL!
« Reply #264 on: June 13, 2006, 08:19:00 PM »
Reality TV, is going too far.  Hope that collectively we have nipped this in the bud.  An archer boycott of any sponsor seems in order, if any develop.

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Re: Worst Idea Ever...HUNTING ALERT!!! READ & EMAIL!
« Reply #265 on: June 13, 2006, 08:30:00 PM »
From the Outdoor Wire for today (June 13th)...

Last week's announcement of a World Hunting Association, billed as the
"finest hunters competing for hundreds of thousands of dollars in prize
money" has generated more than its fair share of controversy.

Immediately after The Outdoor Wire's running a release concerning the WHA
and its plans to hold an inaugural event this fall at Gladwin, Michigan's
Lost Arrow Ranch, world-renowned hunting experts started checking in on the
idea. Not many have favored what some opponents call "catch-and-release
hunting".

A brief pass through the myriad of websites dedicated to bowhunting,
although non-scientific, does give something of an insight into the position
of the more vocal hunters. With very few exceptions (the exceptions are
being excoriated by their fellow archers), the idea is being pilloried as
being contrary to the best interests of hunters or deer.

The reasons are as varied as the writing styles, but seem to center on the
fact that tranquilizing the animals, although done on a regular basis by
wildlife managers, poses a significant risk to the deer being "darted".
Further, wildlife managers use air rifles for darting, not bows as is
apparently being proposed by the WHA. Other reasons include the argument
that tranquilizing animals "isn't hunting" and fears that the whole idea
would be seen as just one more indication of the "low-intelligence and moral
fiber" of all hunters.

Others, including a world-renowned hunter, big game guide and archery
expert, have reacted strongly to the idea. These experts point out that
"blunting" deer with archery equipment poses significant risks of delayed
injuries that would be serious enough to eventually kill "darted" animals.

In an open letter to the Michigan Veterinarian Medical Association and the
Michigan Deparment of Natural Resources, Dr. Thomas Caceci, Associate
Professor of Biomedical Sciences & Pathobiology and Director of the
Virginia-Maryland Regional College of Veterinary Medicine and the VMRCVM
Morphology Research Laboratory requests an investigation into the World
Hunting Association, and it's "bizarre plan to conduct a 'catch-and-release'
deer hunt using chemical restraint techniques."

"Any veterinarian is well aware that the anesthetics used in capture guns
are potentially lethal (even more so to humans than to the animals) and
should not be handled by unqualified individuals; that tranquilizing a wild
animal is by no means a trivial matter, but instead carries a significant
risk of injury and death from trauma or capture myopathy," Dr. Cacei writes,
"repeated tranquilization substantially raises the likelihood of the animal
being permanently injured or killed."

Further, he writes, " I ask that MVMA investigate this situation, to
determine if any licensed veterinarians are involved in the venture, and if
so, that MVMA intervene to prevent them from participating. There is no
possible way that this sort of activity can be consistent with the
Veterinarian's Oath and its promise to "alleviate animal suffering.
Furthermore, I ask that your organization inquire of the appropriate
Michigan authorities as to the legality of having untrained individuals
handling controlled substances; and whether or not what is proposed here
violates the Michigan law that prohibits the use of drugs as a means of
killing or capturing wild animals."

Conversations with whitetail organizations brings the hot-button topic of
high-fence hunting into the discussions. The inaugural event is scheduled
for Lost Arrow Ranch in Gladwin, Michigan. It is a high-fence operation.
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« Reply #266 on: June 13, 2006, 08:32:00 PM »
Vermont please keep us up to date when you can!

It sounds like we are far from out of the woods and I hope some of the bigger guys have not joined up with the clown.

Fingers crossed!
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« Reply #267 on: June 13, 2006, 08:38:00 PM »
Glenn...ditto...I want to keep updated with this "disturbing" new development...whatever it is...

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« Reply #268 on: June 13, 2006, 09:19:00 PM »
It's all about the money.
Look at professional bass fishing. Look at the other TV hunting shows, featuring men with make up (not camo either) with starched and pressed hunting clothes.
Not for me.
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« Reply #269 on: June 13, 2006, 10:11:00 PM »
I'm sure it has to do with the companies telling us what we want to hear, but still doing business through subsidiaries or something of that nature.

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« Reply #270 on: June 13, 2006, 10:13:00 PM »
I need to confirm things, but I would encourage reading my Big Guns thread.
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Re: Worst Idea Ever...HUNTING ALERT!!! READ & EMAIL!
« Reply #271 on: June 13, 2006, 10:25:00 PM »
Folks, I got to thinking (very dangerous sometimes)   :p

We are just a small minority of the hunting public. In that I mean that I know a lot of hunters that do not spend much time on the computer and may have no idea this is going on. Therefore, I got on my email and sent a letter to everyone in my contacts list that has any stake in hunting. I'm not much of a wordsmith but here's what it says;

   
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Friends,

It has come to my attention, through a bow hunting website I visit, that there is a group of individuals who are attempting to turn hunting into a spectator based sport similar to the B.A.S.S. tournaments. The promoters of this new “sport” intend to have teams compete against each other, and the deer (or other animals) in a points based competition where the animals will be shot with tranquilizer darts behind high fences, and later released. A “catch and release” type of competition if you will. The promoter is promising huge purses in the hundreds of thousands of dollar range for each competition. This organization isn’t interested in hunting as we are. They are interested in money, Plain and simple. They are attempting to cash in on our hunting heritage, regardless of the damage it will do.

For those of you here that are hunters, and those of you that have family and friends that are hunters, it is really important for you to understand the potential damage this farce holds for us in the hunting community. I feel this idea has the potential to put the final nail in the coffin of hunting as we know it in America. We constantly have to battle the anti-hunting community in order to maintain our privilege of hunting. For the most part thus far we have been successful because we have been able to convince the non-hunting public that we hold high ethical standards and respect the animals we take and utilize them as food for our families. This new organization will, if given the chance, completely destroy this image that we all have worked so hard to cultivate throughout our hunting lives. Let’s be honest folks, this has the very real potential to turn the 80% of the public that is neither for nor against hunting, decisively against hunting in all forms.

Those of you who know me know that I rarely get this worked up about anything, but this threat is REAL. The organizers of this venture have deep pockets, have already lined up some major sponsors, and apparently are in talks with ESPN to televise these “events”. I’m very happy to hear that through some very vocal grass roots efforts, it seems that several of the initial sponsors have rescinded their support, but I fear this is but the first volley in a very long war. There are many more potential sponsors in the hunting industry that could be convince by this organization that their support would be beneficial to their business UNLESS we rise up in one voice to show our disgust of this ridiculous venture. Honestly folks, these brain surgeons have the potential to do to hunting what the Humane Society and PETA have been unable to do for years. Turn the public against hunting!

I am asking you all, as my friends, to do just a few things;

1.   Go to this website and read what has been posted.  http://tradgang.com//noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=033820;p=1
2.    I also encourage you to go to the WHA website and watch the promo and read their information. I am sure you will be as alarmed about this as I am.  http://www.worldhunt.com/
3.   Get involved to whatever extent you can. It may be as simple as emailing potential sponsors to voice your disapproval, to boycotting certain manufacturers that decide to support this abomination.
4.   And lastly, pass this along to everyone you know who has the slightest stake in the future of hunting, from family to coworkers. There are 13 million hunters in this country that have a real stake in the outcome of this battle. I hope you and yours will join our side.

Sincerely,

 
I encourage everyone here to do something similar.  There is no such thing as TOO MUCH support when it comes to something like this. - Brent
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« Reply #272 on: June 13, 2006, 10:45:00 PM »
Great post BB. I get so busy on this I forget some things. I have met several guys locally like that and  they need to know also. Can't have them just reading press releases and seeing ESPN reports!
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« Reply #273 on: June 13, 2006, 11:01:00 PM »
Here is everyones answer to the ESPN poll also.

UPDATE Tuesday June 13, 9:17 PM

Never blow off a conspiracy theory again! This WTDHT--World Tranquilizer Deer Hunting Tour--story keeps getting weirder and weirder. The tech folks at ESPNOutdoors.com have pulled the poll. They said it was pretty obvious that something nefarious was afoot--the votes came in at far too fast a rate, unlike they've ever experienced before. The last word I just got was that the ESPN poll was definitely hacked! We were right all along at the ZONE, no way hunters would back a pro-dart tour. More to come later on this whole fiasco.

By the way Trad Gang received credit for writing the letter to bring it to their attention!
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« Reply #274 on: June 14, 2006, 12:25:00 AM »
I've spent most of the evening sending e-mails - I'm not usually one to get involved in this way, but this abomination has struck a nerve...

I won't bore everyone with the content of the e-mails - its similar to what has been well-said on here so far.  However, I did want to share part of it, since I think it may help to dissuade potential sponsors even further:

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"  The following is from a Michigan Statute relating to the use of animals "as targets to be shot at as a test of marksmanship."  
Sections (b) and (e) would suggest that any organization supporting or sponsoring this activity would also be subject to legal action.

§ 750.49.
Sec. 49. (1) As used in this section, "animal" means a vertebrate other than a human.
(2) A person shall not knowingly do any of the following:
(a) Own, possess, use, buy, sell, offer to buy or sell, import, or export an animal for fighting or baiting, or as a target to be shot at as a test of skill in marksmanship.
(b) Be a party to or cause the fighting, baiting, or shooting of an animal as described in subdivision (a).
(e) Organize, promote, or collect money for the fighting, baiting, or shooting of an animal as described in subdivisions (a) to (d).

I would encourage you to consider the legal implications and the potential for serious legal action against your organization should you choose to support this activity."
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I have no idea if this really would be a legal liability for the sponsors, but its worth looking into.....
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« Reply #275 on: June 14, 2006, 01:25:00 AM »
http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/news/story?id=2474274

check this out....guess we really need to pound ESPN.

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« Reply #276 on: June 14, 2006, 01:40:00 AM »
Here is what I sent to ESPN and I encourage all of you to write to them:

I would like to express my disapproval the WHA hunting tour. If you decide to air this travesty, you will be doing hunting a disservice. This event is disgraceful and disrespectful to the animals. It's injuring the animals hunted for no other reason than to boost the hunter's ego and win some money. Real hunting is done on an ethical and management basis and benefits the wildlife, this tour could be considered wildlife harassment. Please do not air this fuel for the anti-hunting movement.
Craig

Accidentally sent it in 3 times LOL...Well that'll give me 3 times the chance they'll look at it. Here's the address:  http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?page=contact/espntv

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« Reply #277 on: June 14, 2006, 02:22:00 AM »
"I guess we'll know the WHA is big when we have our first hunter strike."

I'm hoping they strike before they even start to hunt!

I'm wondering if the animal cruelty controversy has a loophole by him saying "The positive impact the WHA will have on conservation, including aging of animals, vaccinations against widespread disease found in deer herds, and other valuable scientific and wildlife impacts."

This seems SO wrong.  Besides, I could barely stand listening to the guy for the two minutes he was talking...imagine a whole hour!

John

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« Reply #278 on: June 14, 2006, 02:43:00 AM »
The guy is a huckster. Keep pounding with those emails and calls!!

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« Reply #279 on: June 14, 2006, 07:41:00 AM »
I spent some time in hunting camp with a well known hunting industry company's exec.
I shot him an e-mail to get some feedback. He feels like we all do "Who would want to hunt like that??!!"

He did not seem to give the WorldHunt any credibility.

He did keep his reply brief and is probably checking into it deeper.

Tedd

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