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Offline vermonster13

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Take a look the enemy never rests.

 http://www.huntsab.org/index.htm
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2006, 03:30:00 PM »
Here is some of their work in England!

Anglers attacked by animal extremists

By Nigel Bunyan

(Filed: 19/08/2006)

A gang of masked animal rights activists has attacked a group of anglers, prompting fears that extremists are determined to widen the scope of their campaign of intimidation.

The 35 masked extremists had earlier disrupted a grouse shoot before being moved on by police.

A handful of people, some of them families, was enjoying a day out at the Bank House fly fishery, at Caton, near Lancaster, when the saboteurs arrived.


Lucy Belson, of Kirkby Lonsdale, Cumbria, was fishing with a friend when they suddenly found themselves at the mercy of the gang.

"They began throwing stones at my rod and one of them said, 'It's the easy way or the hard way. You've been sabbed.' They told me to pack up and go or I was 'going to get wet'."

Fighting broke out as two anglers on a nearby stretch of bank struggled with the protesters. Miss Belson, a resuscitation nurse at Westmorland General Hospital, in Kendal, said: "I decided to get out of there and go home but suddenly they all ran towards me waving bats and blocks of wood, shouting, 'Get her'. "I was jostled and they smashed my fishing rod."

As she broke away from the melee, Miss Belson saw another woman being punched in the face and several cars being vandalised.

"I was shaken at the time but now I am angry," she said. "They are cowards and I certainly won't be frightened to go back to the lake. I love fishing and I have been doing it since I was a little girl."

Lancashire police believe that the anglers were the victims of an opportunistic attack. Earlier in the day the saboteurs had tried to disrupt a grouse shoot at Lowgill, near High Bentham.

At the height of the confrontation, police called in the force helicopter, an armed response vehicle and nine other vehicles. However, there were no arrests and the saboteurs headed away.

Pc Duncan Thomas, the force's wildlife officer, said that saboteurs were increasingly attacking anglers.

"Both anglers and grouse shooting parties should be aware of the threat to them and they should have contingencies in place to protect themselves."

A Countryside Alliance spokesman said: "It does seem to be the way animal rights extremists are heading. Their issue is not animal welfare - it is about hating people. They simply want to cause trouble."

Last year animal extremists attacked anglers on the Grand Union canal, in Milton Keynes. Some of the fishermen were thrown into the water.
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2006, 08:07:00 AM »
Another reason to eliminate the ban on handguns in England.

If one sab were to get a bullet in the leg the rest of them would think twice about pulling any more crap.

What a state the socialist republic of England is in: appeasement with Muslims has brought them to the point where they are about to lose their country, and now this...all because there are no real consequences when you do something wrong.

Kill people...spend a few months/years in jail and get right back out to do it again.

Beat up fishermen, and the police, who carry no weapons, can't stop a mob any more.

We are headed the same way if we aren't real careful.
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2006, 03:04:00 PM »
Ray , I couldn't of said it better brother! Hows life in Ga. buddy....Marco#78...trying to stay cool testing  some broadheads and new arrows!!  :)
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2006, 04:23:00 PM »
No complaints, here Marco.

I actually corresponded with the perpetrator of this huntsab website Vermonster linked to...and got back a reply that they wouldn't debate me or carry on a discussion...they were only there to offer advice to others on how to end hunting.

they didn't want to play! Imagine that!
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2006, 07:28:00 PM »
I've said it before. The anti's have one goal, to end hunting. We hunters have many different goals and if we don't come to a concensus and band together they will continue to divide us and pick off our rights one at a time.
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2006, 01:35:00 PM »
These people must never have hear of a Concealed Carry License.  Like Ray said one in the leg and the rest would think about it.  

Hey here is a good quote.

"Send one home limpin and keep on fishin!"

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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2006, 12:48:00 PM »
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2006, 09:40:00 PM »
http://www.shac7.com/news.html
For those in NJ, perhaps some can make time to protest the protestors.

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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2006, 04:37:00 PM »
Sadly all it takes is a few false facts and made up definitions to gain a following, and they definitely have that.  

Their MySpace page is just a hug fest for anti hunting.

I actually feel physically ill after perusing their info.

I don't really agree that one bullet would make them rethink their tactics.  (I do believe that sportsmen, as well as anyone, should be able to defend themselves if they feel their life is in danger, i.e. someone threatening with a bat) I think it would reinforce to them what they already believe is true, that all hunters are just brutal sadistic beasts hell bent on destroying nature. (Something we all know is not true.  Hunters are the most conservation and nature conscience people I know.)  Look what has happened with the right to life groups they believe that the life of one doctor is worth the life of the potential lives saved.   Don't think that these groups feel any different about the life of one hunter.  

Unfortunately a few bad apples that make the headlines each year seem to be the basis for a lot of people opinions about hunters.  
We don't hear about the 10's of thousands that quietly take their game and go home, we only hear about the idiots that shot the farmer’s cow, shot out the windows of the school house trying to hit that grouse or stuck a deer with 20 arrows but failed to down it.

I have encountered more than my share of these nimrods in the woods.

I have run in to several anti-hunters in my days (never in the field luckily) and very few of them have been willing to rationally discuss both sides if the issues.  They believe what they believe and they don't want to hear anything else.

At the moment I'm not sure of the best option to counteract this.
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2006, 03:20:00 AM »
A shot to the leg can easily be fatal.
I do think that hunters and fisherman should be able to defend themselves. I will: if I am in that situation.
 The old police saying ( I come from that camp) is: if they hit you with their fist: hit them with your stick. If they hit you with a stick: shoot them with your gun.
 That really is a reasonable policy; as I have seen many people die from one punch to the chin; and others from one hit from a 'stick'be it baseball bat or whatever.
 I don't run from fights- I hope that I personally am never in these peoples positions.
 I do greatly question why none of the attackers were charged or arrested.
 Seems like the protesters attacked: and were treated like they were no threat to life and limb.
  I don't see how this is a long term logical resolve to the situation.
  They will grow to see that too.
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2006, 05:18:00 PM »
guys, I was speaking "tongue in cheek" above..I'm not advocating shooting anyone..even hunt saboteurs...but if someone is attacking me with a baseball bat....yikes...how much crap are you forced to put up with in the name of civility before I am able to defend myself?

A "gang" of people with baseball bats can easily kill someone in the heat of the moment with one blow....them going to jail won't allow someone to come back once dead...you'd be just a statistic at that point...and most of these folks have nothing your loved ones can sue them for that will compensate for your loss as father/mother/breadwinner/whatever. They're professional protesters most of them.

My father has two copies of newspapers in California...10 days apart...on the cover of the first one...a bunch of screaming protestors about "saving seals"..I think in San Diego? The next was 10 days later from the San Fran area -protesters holding up signs against a nuclear power plant- and there are two identical people in the front page photos of each paper- the same man and woman appear in both photos...400 miles apart.
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2006, 02:19:00 PM »
One of the problems they have in England is that the basic rightto self defence is not present in common law and the anti's know this. The cretins in charge would just love to have a martyr to the cause. Here in the US we see increasing numbers of states passing CCW laws and laws that gauruntee a persons right to defend themselves either at home or anyplace else they have a legal right to be. (movie, hunting, wherever). If I were set upon by a gang of folks waving sticks or bats or what have you then a resonable person could argue that I might be in fear of my life and therefore have a right to defend myself with whatever means I had available.
My point is that sooner or later we are going to see a self defense wounding or killing of an anti-hunting protestor in this country and all ehll will break loose.
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2006, 03:45:00 PM »
HEY DRYROT SAME HERE IN  NEW ZEALAND BUT WE  HAVE GREENIES RUNNING AROUND AT DUCK SHOOTING TIME AND IT WONT BE LONG BEFORE ONE IS SHOT WITH A SHOT GUN. IT IS SO BLOODY ONE MINDED. THEY SAY THE DUCKS DONT HAVE A CHANCE. BUT THEY FORGET THE DUCKS DONT HAVE TO FLY IN TO THE DECOYS. THEY DO HAVE A CHANCE.  :banghead:
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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2006, 03:51:00 PM »
HEY VERMONSTER IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE A BUNCH OF WANKERS.  "[heman]"  JEFF
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2006, 03:59:00 PM »
That's one way to put it Jeff.
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2006, 12:46:00 AM »
Isn't funny how the ara's only seem to care about the cutsie animals. Nobody chains themselves to a dock crying SAVE THE CARP!! lol
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2006, 12:43:00 PM »
Can't raise money on the ugly animals. Ever see the leaders of these groups and how they live? Bet they don't relocate cockroaches or termites if they are ever found in one of their homes. Think they let the mosquitos just bite them (of course they would have to actually go into the woods for that and most of them live in LA or NYC)?
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Re: A new anti-hunting group that wants to specialize in sabotaging hunts!
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2006, 03:31:00 PM »
So my post was used by another site to start a thread(they forgot to take out my tagline and gave me no credit). The thread from that site is now on these sabatouers site. You think the anti's don't go around and read what we say on these sites still folks?
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