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Thoughts on Voting
« on: November 03, 2006, 07:42:00 AM »
I came across this and thought it was very well written...... I didn't know anything about a voting boycott but man how naive can you get...... My better half and I cast our votes by early ballot last weekend.... Please get out and excercise your right too...... Terry

"Desert RatThe Musings of Desert Rat… Hunting and Fishing in the Southwest… and Beyond!On Voting
October 31st, 2006 @ 7:15 pm by Desert Rat
A great piece posted on The American Thinker American Thinker

Someone’s Dying for Your Vote
October 30th, 2006

2,808 Americans have died in Iraq the past 43 months. Another 282 have met such a fate in and around Afghanistan as part of Operation Enduring Freedom. Likely all are rolling over in their graves as fellow countrymen who sent them to war are threatening to boycott Election Day.

Particularly disheartening to these fallen heroes must be the conservative abstentions, as likely 90 percent of such Americans were in favor of sending soldiers to Iraq in March 2003, while probably 100 percent supported invading Afghanistan after 9/11. It must be unfathomable to these brave souls that the very people who rallied politicians to risk lives for these efforts are now turning their backs on the honored dead, and what they died for.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.—Thomas Paine

As amazing as it might seem, due to Republican failures to curtail spending, solve illegal immigration, cure Social Security, and police corruption, many Party members are forgetting the more than a million Americans that have died in battle for the precious right to vote.

Should we forsake that right now because this Congress has failed to address such issues? What does that say to the 3,090 soldiers that have died to give Iraqis and Afghanis such a right, or to the 170,000 Americans still at risk to protect it?

Maybe more importantly, would any of the fallen abstain from voting as result of these other issues if they were still alive today?

If the people fail to vote, a government will be developed which is not their government…. The whole system of American Government rests on the ballot box. Unless citizens perform their duties there, such a system of government is doomed to failure.—Calvin Coolidge

As the elections draw near, I find myself getting angrier and angrier. On a daily basis, I receive e-mail messages from conservative readers explaining why they’re not going to vote on November 7. Fellow conservative bloggers have elucidated their views on this subject supporting the abstainers, and explaining why a Democrat victory in eight days isn’t such a bad thing.

Every morning as I drive to work, I hear callers tell Rush Limbaugh why they’re not going to vote; every afternoon I hear the same on Sean Hannity’s program.

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all. —John F. Kennedy

So I grow angrier, because I’m saddened for the state of the Republican Party, and wonder how we have so fallen from the exhilaration we felt on November 2, 2004, when President Bush was reelected, and we miraculously added to our majorities in both chambers of Congress. We were going to accomplish so much in the next two years. In particular, finally reform Social Security, and extend the president’s tax cuts.

Alas, as 2005 rolled on, such lofty goals were replaced by scandals surrounding former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, the Vice President’s former Chief of Staff I. Lewis Libby, and a terrible hurricane in the Gulf Coast.

The future of this republic is in the hands of the American voter.—Dwight D. Eisenhower

2006 wasn’t any better, as a proposed sale of American ports to an Arabic company hit the front pages, along with illegal immigrant protests, and a disgraceful scandal involving Congressional pages just weeks before Election Day.

Nice two years, folks. Nice job taking advantage of the mandate we gave you on November 2, 2004.

Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual—or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country.—Samuel Adams

Like many of my fellow countrymen, I’m ashamed of the performance of this Congress, and my Party. However, that shame does not extend to ignoring the most sacred right bestowed upon us by our Founding Fathers. Forsaking that right as a form of protest is un-American and unthinkable for a true conservative.

The ballot is stronger than the bullet.—Abraham Lincoln

Folks that are unhappy with what the Republicans have done in the past 22 months should consider voting for the Democrat in their state or district. Or the Independent. Or the Libertarian. Or write in their grandmother Mabel.

But don’t stay home, for that dishonors all that have died to give you this precious right. Such are certainly the sentiments of great Americans past and present:

If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made not for the public good so much as for the selfish or local purposes.—Daniel Webster

That government is the strongest of which every man feels himself a part. —Thomas Jefferson

Let us never forget that government is ourselves and not an alien power over us. The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and senators and congressmen and government officials, but the voters of this country.—Franklin D. Roosevelt

When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you for rulers just men who will rule in the fear of God. The preservation of a republican government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty.— Noah Webster

In a world that might say one vote doesn’t matter…, it does matter because each person is of infinite worth and value to God… Your vote is a declaration of importance as a person and a citizen.—Billy Graham

We have a duty to our country to participate in the political process. See, if you believe in freedom, you have a duty to exercise your right to vote to begin with. I’m [here] to encourage people to do their duty, to go to the polls. I want all people, no matter what their political party is or whether they even like a political party, to exercise their obligation to vote. —George W. Bush

Wise words all. Yet, caution shouldn’t be capriciously thrown to the wind when exercising this right, for the consequence of error is great, especially today. The truly judicious, before demonstrating disappointment with their Party by voting for a member of another, should recall the last time Elephants behaved this way. Or have you forgotten that such protestations in 1992 gave us fourteen years of the Clintons, with possibly many more to follow?

With that in mind, try to imagine what turning over the House of Representatives to a dove like Nancy Pelosi (D-California) would say to those that have given their lives to this war effort, and those still risking so. What a shocking statement that would be to our military to hand over the reigns of power to such an irresponsible appeaser less than five years after we sent our friends and family members to die for their country.

So think long and hard, conservatives, about the value of your vote, those that have died to give you the privilege, and the folly of abstention. And, if you still can’t bring yourself to the polling booth on November 7, send a proxy to my e-mail address, for only death would prevent me from exercising this precious right regardless of how disappointed I was in my Party.

Noel Sheppard is a frequent contributor to American Thinker. He is also contributing editor for the Media Research Center’s NewsBusters.org, and a contributing writer to its Business & Media Institute. Noel welcomes feedback."
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Re: Thoughts on Voting
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2006, 09:07:00 AM »
Good post Terry. Seems that some papers are even using the don't bother to vote for certain candidates as it would be a wasted vote philosophy as a political strategy this year, especially in the Texas Governor race. The only wasted vote is the one not cast, period.
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2006, 12:17:00 AM »
You can find a list of candidates that the anti-hunting groups support right here.

 http://www.fund.org/voter-guide-2006/
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2006, 11:20:00 AM »
Tommorrow is the day guys. Please get out and vote.
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Re: Thoughts on Voting
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2006, 05:53:00 PM »
Got my vote in by early ballot last week.....Like David said if you haven't done the same please get out tomorrow.... Terry
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2006, 07:18:00 PM »
Already voted, conservative as usual, I may not like everything they do or support, but the flip side has totally alienated me.

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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2006, 09:10:00 AM »
I just voted this morning on my way home from work. The polls were empty, unlike the last election day. Those who claim to be conservatives that will not be voting.. well I don't really believe that. I think most people who vote that platform are a bit smarter than to miss out on thier right to have thier voice heard. It is my opinion that if you are not interested in voting, then you must not care about being free. I have visited most of the countries in this world as a sailor in the United States Navy. If any one could just see a fraction of what I have, they would vote every chance they could. We the people made this country what it is today. Only we the people can, together, can keep this country prospering in the future. If you don't get that, you might be living under some thing like a taliban rule some day. Oh, and forget about ever having the right to hunt.
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2006, 08:04:00 PM »
AZstickman and others,
 I share your concern and appreciation for the right to vote. I even respect you sharing your political sentiments.  I’m, however, far on the other end of the political spectrum from conservatism.  I'm "left of left" of what you'd might call a liberalism...I'm an old fashion progressive...Pro-Labor and believe in keeping Big (and sometimes Small) business in check...Oops, I’m also Pro-Traditional bowhunting…LOL.

I'm also black American who truly appreciates the right to vote and the fight for the right to vote (for me Iraq isn’t anywhere near that kind of fight…but we could discuss that over some “spirits” after a good hunt).  I was born in Savannah Georgia and as I write this I'm looking at the teaching contract my father had to sign each year when he taught in the segregated schools in Savannah, until 1963.  It says he'll be found guilty of a felony if he teaches “mixed classes of white and colored children” and will be “prosecuted by the Attorney General of the State of George” and “sentenced to the penitentiary” for up to two years if he violates that state law. (woo, can you say State Terrorism)…You'll forgive me for thinking politicians in Georgia are brave or honorable today if they guarantee our right to hunt and fish through a state constitutional amendment, as I’ve read elsewhere on Tradgang.com.   Given politicians were so slow to embrace the basic high ideas of Americanism, like democracy, not long ago.  It wouldn’t be fare for me to blame those today for the past, but I can’t get too excited about their bravery today, given its relative limited weight (hobby(today) vs. human rights…stem cells(today) verses mature human beings).  Ironically, many of those politicians from Georgia who supported human rights back then are still not appreciated today.   Just count the number of memorials, schools, etc in Georgia, Virginia, etc named after Confederate war heroes verses those named after Civil Rights workers…I hope I’m wrong  

My point, we should vote and appreciate that vote, but we should keep things in perspective..Vote for real concerns...not strawmen…Is fishing really under a threat?...I'll agree that hunting is.  Hey, I always tell my liberal tree hugging friends "my problem with trees, dogs, and cats in America, is that they got their civil rights three years after me"...you get the point....

It's the duty of the electorate to be responsible, have it’s own thoughts, not just "vomiting" the opinions of big business media talking heads like Rush Limbaugh or supposedly squeaky clean preachers (Note: funny how all these holier then thou types keep getting exposed/busted for their hyper-hypocrisy...like Jesse Jackson and his extra-martial relations out-of- wed lock kid and the closeted gay preacher in Colorado and ex-Senator Foley)

Again, I really agree with you about the lame excuses people give for not voting...The fight for the right to vote and basic human rights in the 1960’s has been well documented...and I consider that struggle the pivotal point in American history where the country finally got to live up to it’s high ideas...I have more then a handful of uncles and cousins who fought in both WWII and Korea, only to return to segregated Georgia, Illinois, and New York State...yet they sacrificed in hopes that some day a movement  like the civil rights movement would be victorious (however difficult)….it did....and I owe my own freedom to that movement and the Constitution of the United States...I guess that's why whenever I see as Civil Rights worker walking through the Airport...I stand up and clap (think about it).  

My hope is for this election will force us all to work together, drop our fears, and embrace the humbleness that's required of a great nation.

BTW:  I'm for compulsory military (not civil) service for all Americans for two years...that way the next time we are called to war, we'll know it's the real thing, because the rich folks who debate these conflicts and ultimately decide on them, will have to face the reality of their sons and daughters going…it’s to easy to send someone else’s kid.  Working Americans have always sent their kids to fight for this country, that won’t change; but, all the folks who got draft deferments in the 1960’s and don’t have kids in the military today will think twice before sending our kids to wars they don’t seem to be sending their kids too.

peace my brother and good hunting.

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Re: Thoughts on Voting
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2006, 09:33:00 PM »
"My hope is for this election will force us all to work together, drop our fears, and embrace the humbleness that's required of a great nation". Well put, much respect Sir. T
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2006, 11:03:00 PM »
HSUS - Today's Wall Street Journal - a must read

PAGE ONE

Puppy Power:
How Humane Society
Gets the Vote Out
Animal Welfare Is the Issue,
Not the Candidate's Party;
Loaded for Bear Hunters
By BRODY MULLINS
November 7, 2006; Page A1

DUBLIN, Calif. -- Wayne Pacelle marched up to a one-story house here last week, hoping to persuade the two Republicans inside to vote against incumbent Republican Rep. Richard Pombo.

"Beware of dog," read a nearby sign as Mr. Pacelle knocked on the front door. Suddenly, a pit bull charged from inside the house. Mr. Pacelle stumbled backward. The dog slammed into the door. A screen was all that separated the growling beast from the chief executive officer of the Humane Society of the United States.


"I may be with the Humane Society, but I prefer little dogs when I'm canvassing," said the 41-year-old Mr. Pacelle. For Mr. Pacelle, the pit bull is just one snarling obstacle in his path toward transforming the nation's largest group of pet lovers into a ferocious force in congressional elections. Call it puppy power at the polls.

For the first time in its 50-year history, the Humane Society is trying to elect candidates to Congress who support its animal-welfare agenda. After a series of mergers with other animal-welfare groups, the Humane Society counts 10 million Americans as members, an average of 23,000 in each of the 435 House districts. That's more than twice the membership of the National Rifle Association, which is considered one of the most effective single-issue campaign organizations.

More important, the Humane Society's motivating issue -- the promotion of animal welfare -- resonates with the white suburban women who could be the key block of voters who decide this election.

The Humane Society isn't campaigning for just one political party. Sen. Rick Santorum, a Republican from Pennsylvania, won its support this year for championing federal funding for animal-protection programs. Virginia Republican Sen. George Allen was endorsed for introducing legislation to require bitter-tasting antifreeze to discourage pets from lapping up spills.

In the House, the Humane Society is campaigning for several Republicans in close races, including Reps. John Sweeney of New York and Christopher Shays of Connecticut. Mr. Sweeney, who represents Saratoga's race track, pushed legislation through the House to ban the slaughter of horses for human consumption.

Among Republicans the Humane Society is targeting are Montana's Sen. Conrad Burns, who opposed Mr. Sweeney's horse-slaughter bill in the Senate, Rep. Heather Wilson of New Mexico and Mr. Pombo of California.

The Humane Society has endorsed more than 300 candidates for Congress. But it has spent money in just two dozen of the closest races where Mr. Pacelle believes he can swing about 5% of the vote.

"Animals are a part of the fabric of our culture, so it's inevitable that the organized network that protects animals would activate for political ends," Mr. Pacelle said in an interview. About two-thirds of households have pets. "We can be an incredibly influential political organization, as powerful as the Chamber of Commerce," Mr. Pacelle told a crowd of election volunteers in Las Vegas last week.

Carolyn Mathias, a lifelong Republican, learned from the Humane Society that the state's Republican governor, Bob Ehrlich, had approved the state's first bear hunt in 50 years. The Humane Society publicized the decision in television advertisements that featured graphic images of dead bears.

"I'm sure it must sound unusual for a Republican to suddenly not vote Republican based on one issue," Ms. Mathias says. "The way I look at this is that the bears have no political party."

It cuts both ways. When Mr. Pacelle knocked on doors in Las Vegas last week for Republican Sen. John Ensign, a veterinarian, all but one of the volunteers who accompanied him were Democratic women.


Mr. Pacelle began creating the Humane Society political operation two years ago when he was named chief of the organization. Since then, he has quietly built a formidable election campaign machine. To comply with tax and election laws, Mr. Pacelle has created two offshoots of the Humane Society to focus on election campaigns. In total, the entities have spent $3.4 million on congressional elections and ballot initiatives, more than Exxon Mobil Corp. They have contributed $150,000 to candidates for Congress, which is more than Halliburton Co. has contributed.

The Humane Society has a long history of winning state ballot initiatives on issues ranging from banning cockfighting in Oklahoma to prohibiting hunting with steel-jawed leg traps in Colorado. This year, the Humane Society is battling the NRA over dove hunting in Michigan and big agriculture over the size of pigpens in Arizona.

The Humane Society first tested the waters in congressional elections in 2004 -- and then, in just one race. In that campaign, the group campaigned against Rep. Chris John in Louisiana when the Democrat ran for an open Senate seat against Republican Rep. David Vitter. Mr. John championed the state's legalized cockfighting industry, and the Humane Society didn't want to see him in the Senate.

Polls showed that nine in 10 women in Louisiana opposed cockfighting, so the Humane Society set about to tell 300,000 white female voters that Mr. John supported the practice. The group spent $400,000 on radio ads and mailings to get the message out. When Mr. Vitter won with 51% of the vote, the Humane Society knew it could be a force.

"If we could win in 'Sportsman's Paradise,' we can win anywhere," says Mr. Pacelle. A Yale graduate, Mr. Pacelle considered going to law school before dedicating his career to the protection of animals. Mr. Pacelle says he grew up with several pets and an "unusual interest in the welfare of animals." On his way to a recent news conference, Mr. Pacelle brought his fuel-efficient 2006 Toyota Prius to a halt to let a pigeon pass in front of him. "More than one million animals are killed each day by cars," he says. Divorced, Mr. Pacelle has no pets these days because, he says, he travels too much.

In the campaign's final days, the Humane Society focused on defeating Mr. Pombo, the California Republican who chairs the House Resources Committee. From that perch, Mr. Pombo has broad authority over environmental and agriculture legislation. The Humane Society backed Democratic candidate Jerry McNerney.

The Humane Society spent more than $100,000 on radio ads and $50,000 in mailings accusing Mr. Pombo of blocking legislation to promote animal welfare. A radio ad that aired last week accused Mr. Pombo of voting to "deny funding to crack down on the barbaric practices of dog fighting and cockfighting" and opposing legislation to outlaw the slaughter of American horses, "so the French can eat horse meat as a delicacy."

Such tactics "turned what might have been a snooze of a race into a nationally watched showdown," according to an Oakland Tribune article last week.

In Oakland last week, Mr. Pacelle embarked on his door-to-door canvassing tour dressed in tan khaki pants and a T-shirt that said "Get Political for Animals." After his encounter with the pit bull, Mr. Pacelle eyed a bumper sticker on a truck parked in a driveway: "Dog is my co-pilot," it read. "This is a good sign," Mr. Pacelle said, advancing to the door. In his typical pitch, Mr. Pacelle described Mr. Pombo as "so extreme he even actively supports commercial whaling."

A spokesman for Mr. Pombo predicted the Humane Society's effort would fail because voters would view the group as too extreme. "They are basically accusing members of Congress of clubbing baby seals and kicking puppies," said Brian Kennedy, the spokesman.

That sentiment was echoed by the Republican owners of the growling pit bull. Mr. Pacelle's speech about Mr. Pombo was cut off midsentence. "I don't think he kills dogs," the occupant said, shutting the door.

Mr. Pacelle fared better a few minutes later when he spotted a young couple getting into a black Ford Mustang. "She watches Animal Planet all the time," the man yelled as he drove away. "You've got our vote."
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Re: Thoughts on Voting
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2006, 08:15:00 AM »
The HSUS as a lobbying force cannot be taken lightly.  As hunters and sportsman we definily have an battle.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2006, 08:31:00 AM »
HSUS is the greatest threat of the anti groups. They market themselves well(they have nothing to do with animal shelters but use every appearance they can to give that illusion), they appear professional, have a huge war-chest, and are headquartered in DC and Hollywood. They are intelligent and subtle. PETA is a joke, HSUS is a serious threat.
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2006, 10:36:00 AM »
well said Longbowbro
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2006, 02:44:00 PM »
LongbowBro, if you don't think fishing is under attack just google " England fishermen attacked baseball bats" or something like that and read about a group of innocent fishermen attacked by baseball bat wielding folks intent on KILLING them because they were using hooks to catch fish.

Let me tell you, we are about 20 years behind England but we are headed in the same direction and likely much faster now, with the PROGRESSIVES (another word for Socialists in my lexicon) in power in Congress.

I'm not happy about the way Republicans have mishandled the mandate they were given and turned into big government whores at our expense...but let's face it...the Dems offer lip service to minorities and "the working man" and buy votes with hand outs,and amnesties- at least the Grand Old Party has done some concrete things about home ownership, job numbers, economic expansion, etc.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2006, 03:40:00 PM »
The only reason that fishing isn't being agressively attacked in the US is that "they" are not yet where they want to be wrt hunting.
I have no doubt that if the antis were allowed to decimate our hunting rights in this country as effectively as they have in England, Canada, etc then they would be rabid in their attacks against fishing.
Once fishing is outlawed, they'll work on commercial veal, then poultry, beef, pork, eggs, leather goods, etc - their goal is converting the rest of the world to vegans one step at a time.
Not that even reaching that goal would appease the radicals - they would be activists without a cause (or clue) - these people NEED to protest to make themselves feel important - but the more radical they become, the more they hurt themselves politically.

HSUS on the other hand, is very savvy - they understand all of this and try to slip under the radar as the group that protects puppies, kittens, and fuzzy little bunnies - the vast majority of their supporters are clueless about their ultimate goals - HSUS hides their antihunting agenda for this very reason.
But this really makes them much MORE dangerous than the more radical groups.
(In my opinion, it also makes them more despicable, since they are gaining support by deceiving their supporters - but I guess that is the way of politics....)

This whole scenario is the best arguement for sportsmen of all types to band together (and I'm really NOT trying to rehash the "big tent" issue)
For example, I personally support the NRA - I diasgree with them on MANY of the issues they are championing - BUT the longer they hold back the antis and keep them fighting on the "assault weapon" front, the longer they keep them away from my hunting guns and my bows (and eventually my fishing rod too).
This is the exact reason I'll defend someone else's right to hunt deer or pigs with dogs, hunt with a crossbow, etc - even though I have no interest in these specific persuits myself.

We can't just look the other way while sportsmen are being attacked just because it doesn't effect us personally - if you wait until the attack is at your own doorstep, its going to be too late to do anything about it.  (and none of those guys we left hanging in the breeze are going to be there to help)

I don't remember which radio talking head said it, but it was something like "If you don't vote, then you deserve exactly what you get" (and you have absolutley no right to complain about it)

Sorry for the rant - had a few minutes to kill and needed to vent as the election results sink in....
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2006, 04:00:00 PM »
Sadly, HSUS accomplished many of their goals in this past election and we will now to be even more diligent if we wish to continue to hunt, shoot and fish. It's going to take all of us.
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2006, 05:06:00 PM »
Well folks, HSUS won every thing they got into pretty much. The Maryland Governor who approved the bear hunt was defeated (HSUS spent a 1/2 million on that), the dove hunting ban passed in MI (huge money here also), and House Resources Chairman Richard Pombo, a staunch supporter of causes important to SCI, has lost his seat in California’s 11th District. The work is going to get harder now.
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2006, 12:41:00 AM »
Well, the people voted and made it perfectly clear what they think of the President's adventure in Iraq.

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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2006, 10:30:00 AM »
I for one think if that's the case,Gordon, then the American people have now been sufficiently dumbed-down by our wonderful teacher's unions, American Idol, and our media to the point that we are definitely in trouble.

There's a great deal more to Iraq than Saddam. Do you think its a coincidence that we had 250,000 troops and a bunch of armament on the border with Iran while they just happened to be getting close to weaponizing uranium?

If the war in Iraq isn't about terror then why are we killing so many Al Quaida leaders and footsoldiers (I use that word very loosely)over there?

If the war in Iraq had not been going on for the past three years...would you or I feel safer, or less safe, today? Take a guess about that.

Three years of Al Quaida NOT being occupied with trying to ruin the standing up of a democracy in the middle east by those murdering butchering arab muslim killers- what would they be occupying their time with instead???

You guessed it...our embassies across the world, our warships in ports getting fueled, our citizens in foreign countries being kidnapped and having their heads chopped off, maybe the Sears Tower in Chicago,lots of mischief could have been dealt...  Remember, they ran like a bunch of cockroaches when the light got switched on in Afghanistan...there really aren't that many of them left over there.

Where did they run to? Iraq? Iran? Syria?

Why did we hear nothing from the Democrats about Iraq except "we need to set a timetable for withdrawal NOW" "the war is a monumental mistake"  and that sort of stuff, and now, the morning after they won house and senate, Howard Dean is on Fox stating " NO ONE THINKS WE OUGHT TO START PULLING OUT OF IRAQ NOW" ?????? Why?????

Because they know the war is the right thing to do, but they didn't care about that...all they cared about was regaining control of $$$$$$$ and POWER. I'm not a Red state or a Blue state guy- I'm a "right thing to do" guy instead.

The American people got exactly what they deserved on Tuesday because they didn't care enough to show up at the polls, unfortunately.
“Courageous, untroubled, mocking and violent-that is what Wisdom wants us to be. Wisdom is a woman, and loves only a warrior.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: Thoughts on Voting
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2006, 10:35:00 AM »
Well said Ray...........

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