Question for Carbon Guru's

[bentpole]

I received  a dozen Blackhawk Vapor Carbonwoods 3000 as a gift.I have absolutely no knowledge of these shafts. They say they spine 45/60 Lbs. Being cut down to 28"s what do you think they would spine at? I do know they fly better out of a 50# Horne's Traditionalist[not cut to center] than they do out of a 47# Shrew. Just shooting both bows I get the best flight out of the Horne's with 250 grain feild point.What can you tell me about these shafts good or bad? Thanks

[Steve O]

3000 Vapors are pretty stiff for a 50# bow especially at 28".  It is tough to get more than 250g to weaken them.  I had much better luck tuning Gold tip 35/55s out of my 50-53# Super Shrews.  If you could leave the 3000s long it would be easier...

[JRY309]

Are they already cut to 28"? Blackhawk Carbonwood 3000 have a spine deflection of 0.400.At 28" the spine will be very stiff for a 50# bow that is not cut to center.If they are not cut I would start out at full length.You may have problems not matter how much weight you add.I had some CX 45/60 terminator's that were cut alittle short and I couldn't get them tuned no matter how much weight I added upfront.They seemed to get worse with a heavier weight point especially on a not cut to center bow.I've have found with carbons that a longer arrow will work better with a not cut to center bow.To be able to flex around the bow.A Carbowood 3000 spine is measured at 28",so a 28" arrow is going to be the same spine as a full length arrow,but they will react differently shooting around the bow.Carbons are a different tuning game then would be aluminum or wood.

[bentpole]

Thanks guys!Yep I received these from a friend that couldn't get them to fly out of his bow.That's what happens when you buy carbons for a Trad Bow from a compound shop. They are fletched and cut to 28"s. I'm thinking lose one [strip the feathers]and bare shaft? How are they as far as quality wise? Are they the same diameter as the Gold Tips? Hey I couldn't beat the price! I shoot my Gold Tips out of my bows now and they fly great. I 'm really happy with those.Shawn I guess I could try more weight up front too.

[Bonebuster]

I shoot Carbonwood 5000`s, and found them to be more durable than the Gold Tip 75-95. Straightness, and weight variation was as good as Gold Tip. The inserts, and nocks were interchangeable with Gold Tips. As far as I know, its the same for the smaller sizes.

When I first got these arrows flying, it didn`t take long to figure out they needed alot of weight up front, like almost all carbon arrows.
I also learned, when cutting them off, 1/4" adds alot of spine.

No complaints about quality. These arrows are tough customers.

[bentpole]

Thank you Bonebuster.