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[Jack Whitmire Jr]

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[Brian Krebs]

It seems our concerns should not be for the republican party; or the democratic party. This is not a football game; we should be concerned with out nation first.

[mwmwmb]

Originally posted by Brian Krebs:
It seems our concerns should not be for the republican party; or the democratic party. This is not a football game; we should be concerned with out nation first.

   

[shakey slim]

to war! to war! we make the cry to do this deed to fight and die.
 the founding fathers knew there was death in their talk / men women children would die .young and old / torture,desease,famine, ruin.  
 when you speak of war know this is what you say!
the step to peace is not thru war!and the cloak of war we shroud ourselves which bears only death for all.
 can we save this country without the fight ? can peace and freedom be had without the blood ?-- probably for a while but sooner or later war will happen again ! justified by men like jefferson and henry and franklin, lets hope its long time away.

[Ragnarok Forge]

The whispers that preceed a war are the sounds of your government saying just let me spend 2 trillion dollars for you to make our economy work.  Only problem.  Guess who really has to pay that bill.  You!  Anyone here seen any of that money in your hand?  Anyone seen the economy improve?  Nope.  

The have nots are working hard thru their selected party to take from the hard working haves.  Eventually enough people get tired of it and say no.  Then the goverment decides it can force you to say yes.  each side pushes then pushes back and civil war commences.  The second american civil war will most likely be a class war between the haves and have nots.  Ugly and vicious, just like the last one.

You want to avoid war?  Vote all the time, every time.  Do what it takes to get others to vote. Make sure everyone you know  votes.  Get the people to take back control of their goverment.

Apathy is what kills nations.  We the people will get to reap the rewards of complacency and will have to endure the fight that comes.  Our country is divide already.  

If history repeats itself, and it always does!  Then the time to our civil war is very short,  unless a lot of people pop their heads out and take control back from the government and give it back to the people.

[Gooserbat]

I'll try not to get started, but what keeps reviving this thread is the echo of greatness the founded this country.  I think everyone who has posted on here has the same basic ideas with different thoughts of how to get there. Here are mine.
 
#1 PRAY FOR OUR COUNTRY AND IT'S LEADRES EVEN IF YOU DON"T AGREE WITH THEIR VIEWS.
#2 VOTE
#3 CALL OR WRITE YOUR SENATORS, AND ELECTED OFFICIALS.
#4 DON"T BR AFAID TO BE VOCAL OR RESPECTFULY ENGAGE IN DEBATE
#5 TEACH YOUR CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN, OR ANY YOUNG PERSON ABOUT THE GREATNESS OF OUR RICH HISTORY.
#6 SUPORT OR FIGHTING MEN AND WOMEN AS WELL AS THANK OUR VETERANS.

We the People are still in charge but or grip is slipping rappidly every day.  The socialist wing in our government is fighting to not only control the government but also We the People.  They would love nothing more than to tax us to the place where we must depend on them for every thing from health care to food and utilities.  If you don't believe me them just sit by the way side and watch for the next FEW short years.  If they can tell you when and how you are going to go to the doctor then they can tell you when and how you are going to live every aspect of your life.

I ask myself not get started so I'll shut up now.

[freefeet]

Originally posted by Gooserbat:
The socialist wing in our government is fighting to not only control the government but also We the People.  They would love nothing more than to tax us to the place where we must depend on them for every thing from health care to food and utilities.  If you don't believe me them just sit by the way side and watch for the next FEW short years.  If they can tell you when and how you are going to go to the doctor then they can tell you when and how you are going to live every aspect of your life.

You should have said, "If you don't believe me just go an look at the UK!"

We've had 12 long years of the socialist scumbags....

   :mad:

[Tsalagi]

Sorry, but if we can afford the Pentagon and Iraq, we can afford health care. I'm not afraid of a government giving me health care. I'm afraid of a government that sees killing people as the solution to every problem. I'd rather money be spent on fellow Americans, and not going into the pockets of the likes of Hamid Karzai.

Americans First. Period.

The health care bill that is coming through is not health care. It is an insurance bill, with the very serious implications that could easily lead to things like forced inoculations and limited care for specific groups.  Take a close look at the swine flu hype and all the negative facts about the vaccines.
An even larger threat is going on right now, that ties it all together, in Copenhagen, Denmark.  While the news releases keep saying that no agreements are being met, google climategate, behind the scenes they are preparing to let the hammer down.  The global warming scam is only the tool they are using to force global socialism and global kleptocracy and oligarchy.  Are you all saving up to pay your carbon tax to the world bank?  Or would you prefer that or politicians start working for us?  they have not been for some time.

[Tsalagi]

You want to know the truth? I don't care anymore. Nobody represents the people anymore. Not the Republicans and not the Democrats. They can do what they want; makes no difference to me either way. I refuse to get involved with any political party. They're all liars and I've met more trustworthy scorpions hiding under rocks. Socialism is a scare tactic used by one side, and global warming is the scare tactic used by the other. All to keep the people busy fighting one another while the politicans of BOTH sides pick their pockets clean.

So, no, I refuse to care about it. I don't care if they pass health care or not. I don't care if they pass cap-and-trade or not. They can't take much more from me than they already have. I lost my job of ten years and no one hires a 43 year old guy when there are plenty of 20 year olds to choose from. They took money out of my pocket and gave it to greedy scum on Wall Street to allegedly "save jobs". Yeah, didn't work so well for me. I'm out the money AND the job. What else are they going to take from me? I can't stop it. They don't listen to the people anymore. I don't have any more money for them to steal, so they're probably done with me anyway.

  If you think our politicians are ever going to work for us again, I'll sell you Midgely Bridge down in Sedona. They're are totally bought, totally co-opted. They play these games to make you think they're working for you so you'll vote for them. To what end? Next election, I'll be stumpshooting with my bow.

[mwmwmb]

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[Billy]

Tsalagi don't go off the grid, just yet...
While I agree with you, somewhat...I for one, took an oath... to Protect and Defend the Constitution from ALL enemies Foreign AND Domestic!!...
meant it then and I mean it now!

The politician wants us to believe in their "holiness" , the whoremonger was us to believe in their freedom of "commerce"...put them together and you have a congress!!

What I'm doing to change this abomination (IT did not start with the Obamanation) is working with  Tea Party People, the 10th Amendment Movement, and Friends of Article 5...you can look them up.

Personally, I bought 100 copies of the POCKET CONSTITUTION and am handing them out as I meet people who are trying to understand. The ones who scream this or that party...I let'm go on in ignorance.

It only took 1/3 of the Colonists to wrestle this land from the control of tyranny. It won't take many more than that now.

Make no mistake about it, I'm as fed up as any of you....but what will you DO about it?

We in the choir can read the hymnal and sing our notes but, what of those outside the choir box?

A third party is only a band aid. Unless we change the hearts and minds (person in the seat) of our local government and teach them about nullification and repeal, we will only slow down the process.

We the people still have the power, we just need to learn to use it again.

[Tsalagi]

Billy,

  I served in the United States Army, 101st Airborne, so I also took that oath.

  I appreciate what you're saying, Billy, and I commend you for it. I think a lot more than that needs to happen, and I think we can make it happen, too. We need people in this country to see the value of a working man and not whine when a working man wants a wage he can feed his family on. We need people to demand American made products and if that means it costs a little more, then pay it.  

I'm an American. I'm the face of the "It's just business" excuse to give American jobs to communists in China. But what I will do right now to do my part is say this: Everyone, please, please, please, support your local American. If you're buying a bow, or whatever, if you can, please buy American. I say this to everyone I meet. Turning this country around starts with the day-to-day decisions we all make.

  I'm trying to build a positive outlook on things, but it's tough. But I need to work harder to keep seeing the positives. There's a lot in my life to be thankful for. So, with that, I say I will work to see the positive and put the misfortunes behind me.

Air Assault,
Tsalagi

[Jeff Roberts]

The repulicans take from the middle class and give to the rich. The democrats take from the middle class and give to the poor. They both take and give to the rest of the world. Sad to say but we need another TJ and enough courage on our part to say enough is enough and give our support to going back to God and Country!

[Gooserbat]

Fellas I been gone for a couple of months (tree stand duties and a new job) and was suprised to see this thread had been revived but just read what I posted on the 2nd page.  We gota stick to gather or we won't make it.  We all care or we wouldn't post or read the thread but just stop and think about what would our founding fathers do.  This isn't a call to arms but a call to action.  don't be afraid to be heard.  Billy is right it only took 1/3 of The People to give us our great country, and if The People are heard today howbeit only at first as a tinkling cimble then let it be that that tinkle resonaites into the great ringing of thousands of bells.

[Billy]

7 years in uniform and a Marine for life!

Tsalagi and anyone else, trying is all that I ask. If, someone will but try, I'll help them all the way to the end.

"I know of no safe depositor of the ultimate powers of [a] society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power" - Thomas Jefferson

It is a long and slippery path that we have been led down and we must begin where the founders began. In our own homes and local governments.

John Adams said, 'My country, Massachusets..'     George Mason said, 'My country Virginia....' we must restart the experiment from the beginnings, I believe. Because the power, greed and corruption  in that "ten miles squared" has rendered them incapable of reform.

From the outset there were those who wished to be led by a king, or wished to defer to foreign powers...but the true Staesmen believed in America - a Union of THESE united States.

Not a power from the Potomac, but a power at the Potomac; by the States, from the people.

As I understand it those of us who are going around handing out The Pocket Constitution, of which i am currently out of, can be put on some kind of watch list.  The same list that vets with guns are on. An honorable list to be on for sure.

[Tsalagi]

How would they know you're handing out copies of the Constitution?

[-Achilles-]

RON PAUL!!!RONPAUL!!!RON PAUL!!!...http://oathkeepers.org/oath/....

[-Achilles-]

This  is an 8 hour class teaching on the constitution....