Originally posted by Llyr:
It's a peculiarity of our two-party system that everything has to be sorted on one side or the other (I forget, is cake or pie conservative? 'Cause you know they have to be one or the other.), even though those long lists of things often have nothing to do with each other.
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I'm not perfect, God knows, and I could do more. But that's one way to start turning things around. Pointing fingers, demonizing other people, and waxing poetic about the evils of liberalism or whatever does no one any good. It's lazy thinking.
It's not lazy thinking, it's simply a matter of fact (at least, in my area). While there may be a very, very small number who can support a "liberal agenda" and hunting, that is where it ends. You are most assuredly in the minority. In the Atlanta area, if you asked 100 people that affiliated themselves as "left" what they thought about hunting you'd get a 90%+ negative reaction and the exact opposite from those that affiliated themselves as "right" (or at least a vast majority of positive comments. I did this as a psych research project when I was in college). In other major metropolitan areas, where many of America's policies and media broadcasted "values" originate, I'd bet that number would be much higher.
I think it is very much a liberal vs. conservatism or an "us vs. them". Simply because anytime a collective group wants to take something away from me to give to someone else, is diametrically opposed to something I think is good/right/just, in whatever fashion that may be, takes every opportunity to dilute/destroy the values that this country was founded on, it most definitely polarizes. While there may be a small minority who can be both "left" and "pro-hunting" that number is overwhelmed by those within that "party" who are purposefully doing everything possible to eliminate it. Present company of those who are "left" and pro-hunting here accepted, but again, I think you are mere drops of oil in an ocean of water that is the overall liberal agenda. A few good apples in a barrel of rotten ones does not a good barrel make.
Point out just one conservative that is a rabid anti-hunting, anti-gun etc....while I would need a calculator to keep track of the "liberals" in power (either directly or indirectly) that are.
He asked what I thought was the greatest danger to hunting. The danger to hunting is a mere symptom of a far deeper, more deadly problem: the destruction of many things (and not just hunting) that I hold dear by one specific segment of our population. While you may see "those long lists of things often have nothing to do with each other" I see the exact opposite: they are completely interrelated and intertwined with each other.
By the way, it depends on what kind of pie/cake. If it's my grandma's fried apple/peach pie, it's definitely conservative. New York style Cheesecake....do you even have to ask?