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Author Topic: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???  (Read 3632 times)

Offline Terry Green

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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2008, 09:39:00 AM »
Early....that happens more than you know...specially on subjects like this...but we can't pull them all.   Some of them you just gotta let ride     :)      


Good thread so far....please remember, don't make it personal by attacking others.

I understand a bit, least I've heard the many reasons/needs 'supplemental' feeding (baiting) is needed in TX.....but don't understand why other states that don't have these reasons/needs make baiting legal.  

There's now a generation of folks that have no clue what a longbow will do, and have never even shot a trad bow.....and there's folks that have grown up hunting over bait and never put any of those hunter's puzzles together, and have no idea what fresh sign reveals to the hunter in relationship to the animal and its immediate environment.

Also, I disagree with an oak tree being bait just like hunting a feeder,....cause it aint the only one dropping in the woods, that would be like putting 300 feeders on one of the 200 acre woodlots I hunt, how am I going to know which one the deer are going to come to????

Nor do I agree a bean field/corn field is baiting as it covers a lot of acres and not a 30 yard circle.  

Lets keep it civil, and keep it going...and we might learn something from each other, or understand each other a bit more than if we just throw rocks.
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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2008, 10:06:00 AM »
Terry,here in Michigan it's about money. Bait sold and tags sold. For a lot of guys, they gun hunt a few days at the begaining of the season at that's it. They buy a load of sugar beets a week before the season and dump them. Opening day they are in their deer shack, shoot a spike and go home happy. Without the bait that guy might not shoot anything, lose interest in hunting and not buy a tag the next year. The state loses out on the money. If they have less money coming in, taxes go up, companies leave the state, on and on. It's all about money. In the mean time, guys start thinking, well if so and so shot a deer over bait I might as well too. Can't be stopped at that point.
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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2008, 10:10:00 AM »
I have a few issues against baiting.

The first is an emotional one, a spiritual one, in that I wish to hunt wild animals, not those who have been conditioned. Once we modify their behavior through feeding (one of the oldest and most reliable methods) I feel that the animal is changed, and no longer the pure critter that I wish to pursue. That is just me.

Now that the nebulous, personal and most arguable reason is out of the way, we can proceed to the more logical and fact-based ones.

Baiting artificially concentrates populations of deer. More deer in closer proximity to one another spreads pathogens far faster than Nature intends. CWD and other nasty diseases are given freer rein to infect larger numbers of deer, resulting in more severe epidemics. The die-offs are the natural control of a population excess.

Baiting produces turf wars, as people bait over where they want to sit and hunt. If this is on public land, which is legal in some states, then others are effectively blocked from using that section. Even when nobody is occupying a stand, I am reluctant to use it. Just seems the polite thing to do. I have heard that there are territorial squabbles arising from bait pile establishment, some of which escalate into the nastiness that I go hunting to escape.

Supplemental feedings indicate that there are more critters than the habitat will support. There is no man made substitute for good habitat.

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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2008, 10:11:00 AM »
Baiting was just made legal this year where I hunt and haven't tried it so far. I hunted NJ for years and the biggest problem with baiting I saw was guys would become very protective of the areas they were baiting. A guy would put out a bucket of corn, hang a couple of stands and then explain to you how you couldn't hunt there because he has been baiting it. Ican't say I find it unethical as I've hunted bears over bait. I have problems with it on public land.

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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2008, 10:12:00 AM »
Baiting deer is legal in NC. I think if baiting is legal in your area, it should be up to you whether or not to bait. Is it the best way to kill a big buck? Probably not. I use corn mainly as a tool for trail camera census on the properties I hunt. Sometimes I take my 8 year old son and hunt near a feed station. I am lucky in that the land I hunt has some oaks, open areas that we plant for food plots and other great habitat. So we are able to use many different hunting tactics. However most hunting land here is now southern pine plantations that are, at certain ages, not the best habitat  for deer. Deer eat a variety of foods, but I think pine cones may not rank very high on the list. If it weren't for baiting these hunters may not stick with it. It wouldn't affect me one way or the other. I know alot of folks want to outlaw baiting. They may or may not have a valid argument. I think its more of the mentality that if you're not hunting my way you must be doing it wrong. I'm sure the anti-hunters love to see hunters who advocate outlawing something to do with hunting. Every little bit helps, they say. I know when I'm sitting in the woods listening to the acorns drop, watching the squirrels play and hopelfully getting to see a deer or three, I'm not sitting there thinking about what other hunters are doing. Hows that saying go? United we stand, divided we fall. That applies to hunters, too.

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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2008, 10:21:00 AM »
this is my 6th or 7th year feeding/baiting/supplimenting,whatever you want to call it.YES,i have on occasion hunted over my feeders but generally just feed the deer&turkey on the farm.a nice place to sit and watch all the diferant animals and birds interact without having to kill something.a great stress reliever after a long week of work.
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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2008, 10:40:00 AM »
Bonebusters quote (and this is no slam on Bobebuster)  

"Many people here in Michigan make two trips to deer camp. One to put out bait, and then they go to hunt."

Daggone man....that is sad.  To know that there are folks who do that and have lost (or chosen to never obtain) a bit of woodsmanship just by taking those August/September strolls through the woods.
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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2008, 10:42:00 AM »
No I don't and will not do it.
But thats just me.

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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2008, 10:49:00 AM »
It is legal in Kansas.  I don't bait; I HAVE considered it.  The "puzzle" is a whole lot of fun, and I've got the time...

Terry's Texas example sheds some light on why baiting is getting popular here.  When a NR hunter comes to Kansas to see BIG BUCKS (which are NOT behind every tree) the feeder makes it more likely that the outfitter will be able to show the client a lot of deer in the given time.  In large areas of scattered cover, it may take quite awhile to have a deer pass within bow range...

Baiting (and reasons for it) differ widely from area to area. Same goes for running game with dogs.  I try to hunt the way that brings me satisfaction.
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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2008, 10:54:00 AM »
I remember being hard headed about baiting. It was unethical and I wasn't gonna do it.....until I went to Texas for the 1st time about 25 years ago. Cory Mattson and I were NOT gonna "cheat" and use corn. After 3 days of everybody else in camp shooting up all of their arrows and Cory and I seeing NOTHING AT ALL, We decided to trickle some corn in a few places. Long story short, we both killed our 1st Javelina the next day.

Our lease in Florida has feeders and yes, we hunt 'em. Everyone who has come as a guest says "no way, I ain't huntin feeders" but by the time their trip is over, they've killed some stuff under a feeder.

Point is, there are places where the brush is so thick that you gotta lure em out of it somehow. Now if you're satisfied carrying a bow around and fawning over the scenery for a week in unfamiliar territory, GREAT.

Me? I love killing stuff with arrows!
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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2008, 10:55:00 AM »
Here's my conundrum. I had been hunting a farm which was sold. I had permission to hunt it the first few years until the new owner decided I was too successful and he and his friend and family got to be the only ones to hunt there. He put in a food plot, and feeders, and as RICO stated correctly, he was pulling deer in from other properties. The only way I could compete with him was with a little of my own corn. I rarely see bucks, but have killed two in 8 years, but do get to fill the freezer most years. The bait pile, like any other food source, becomes a nocturnal feeding area real fast if you are not successful early in the season. In fact, deer are often more alert at bait piles and harder to get shots at than when they are in a more natural feeding area. It may seem like a short cut to some, but mostly you will get younger deer and rarely a nice buck in daylight hours. My favorite places to hunt are wild apple trees, oaks and beech trees. In fact, when the acorns are dropping I have a favorite oak ridge that I frequent and was successful there last season. In addition, one place i hunt that abutts the farm I described is really suburban hunting....lots of houses nearby. In order to get deer in a place where they can be shot  without offending property owners or outright tresspassing  a small bait pile is the ticket. Those of you who eschew the baiting as being too easy probably have not done it much or live in an area with a high deer density and threrefore a lot of competition among the deer herd. Under such circumstances I doubt very much that baiting would be attractive to me.

Here in NH the deer density is not high but we have a very good and healthy deer herd. Baiting is legal but there are rules and a process to follow in order to do it. Last year the State legislature limited the number of baits anyone can have in the state to two and they have to be marked with the owners name and address even if it is on your own property. On another's property you need to have a a state issued permission slip and a detailed topo map of your bait site for the area CO and it is put on file. Baiting without following the rules is illegal.

For  me baiting is just another legal tool I can use. Some seasons there is no need for it and in some situations, as I have said, a small bait pile solves other problems where small property lots are an issue but the herd needs to be hunted with the bonus that the deer are pretty much undisturbed.

My wife and I just bought 23 acres of forested wetland. Very few mast trees and too wet to really get equipment in and do food plots. We plan on planting roses, grapes, elderberries, apples, and whatever else the deer might eventually find palatable. In reality it is a form of baiting but some day someone will find it when we are gone and think they have found a natural honey hole.
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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2008, 11:05:00 AM »
No, I don't bait.  Never have.  Never will.  Every definition of hunting that I'm aware of involves the idea of seeking out, finding the game one is after.  With baiting, it's the other way around.  The shooter puts out a pile of bait, and it doesn't much matter where, and the game/deer finds him/her.  The words baiting and hunting do not belong in the same sentence.  Baiting is a good way to kill deer, but it's not hunting.

For those who don't find that ethics should outweigh anything that's legal, I suggest you read Aldo Leopold's Sand County Almanac.  It's because we still don't have a land ethic in this country (you'll have to read the book to find out what that is) that we're in the sad state of affairs we're in today.

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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2008, 11:07:00 AM »
....great example, Biggie
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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2008, 11:13:00 AM »
No I don't.

Several years ago when you could feed wildlife in Illinois (not within so many 100 yds. of hunting) my uncle had a feeder set up. I remember sitting in the woods one afternoon and a doe and fawn came down the trail. It was early in the season so I was going to give them a pass that day. Suddenly I heard the distant "whirr" of his feeder going off - so did the deer! That doe and fawn took off at a trot in the direction of the feeder. I don't know why but that experience soured me on the entire concept. It just didn't sit right.

I understand that its legal still in many states and to each his own. I, for one, am glad of the restrictions Illinois has because my 14yo son and I have hours of fun scouting in the fall and I'm happy to not have to explain to him why we can't just dump a pile of apples/corn and wait. I hunt on fields from time to time but never considered that baiting since getting a deer within 20yds on a 120 acre field isn't the same as getting one to you bait pile 5 yds from your treestand.

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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2008, 11:15:00 AM »
I have hunted a good bit over bait.. I've also watched trails, hunted scrapes, rub lines, still hunted far and wide.. I like it all.. I'm a horn hunter and I'll mention that hunting over corn is no guarantee, in fact, I'm sure the better bucks avoid bait in the daylight. Deer ain't dumb!

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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2008, 11:24:00 AM »
Shawn...I believe, in general, the people we are referring to that are using bait are one's that say they are hunting, not killing to control the populaition.  That is another issue all together.  
In my opinion, the one's that sit over a feeding station of corn and kill animals are killers not bowhunters....
That is just an activity that people choose to do which involves shooting a animal with an arrow.  But when they call themselves bowhunters..that is only ONE of the problems I have with baiting.
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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2008, 11:26:00 AM »
Baiting?  No problem.  To each their own.
Baiting given the same definition as hunting?  Not hardly.  Two entirely different activities.
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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2008, 11:30:00 AM »
I do. I don't make excuses and I don't really care what other people think of it. It's just one of the ways I like to hunt. BTW it is legal here and many times can require more effort than not using it.  I get peeved when some guys judge others on the legal means in which they hunt.
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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2008, 11:30:00 AM »
I don't like baiting either. Setting up in a strategic position using natural feeding areas, is a lot different than dumping a pile of corn under your stand. this could stir up a whole nother hornets nest but we (traditional hunters) pride ourselves on "doing it the hard way". Why then would you take the easy way out when it comes to getting close to deer? The question should not be whether or not baiting is an ethical way to hunt using stickbow, compound or gun, but whether or not we (traditionalists) should bait. I don't think baiting and traditional archery go together. just my two cents.
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Re: Who baits whitetail deer when hunting???
« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2008, 11:37:00 AM »
There is no difference in putting out corn in a pile or growing it.  If you put it out all year how can it be any different?  Everyone has there thing.  I do not hunt over a feeder or pile of corn, but I will hunt over acorns, muscadines, persimmons, you get the picture.  Fact is as hunters and people we need to stop looking down our noses at each other.  PETA does a good enough job of badmouthing.  If it is legal and it make you happy, do it.  And buy the way, never say you will never ever do something, it will come back and bite you!
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