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Offline Lin Rhea

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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2009, 06:08:00 PM »
Kevin,
      I use my regular gas forge for both. I just crank it up a bit for damascus. When the flux starts dancing, your ready. Lin
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2009, 06:36:00 PM »
Kevin, that's what my 12 inch is for. Have a "back door" on the forge so you can pass the longer stuff through as you forge it down. I have that tube on mine so it doesn't loose its heat. With a vertical one, you can place about 2 inches of kat litter made from clay in the bottom and that keeps it from acting like Alien Blood and eating through the bottom of the forge.
With that horizontal one you have there, I'm no expert, but I think you'd be happier with a bigger diameter vertical forge.
You know Don Hanson? Makes a LOT of damascus. He cleans his out about every two or three years and has been using the same forge for a looooooooooooooooooong time.
The trick is the Cat litter.
I'd stay verical like Lin says.
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2009, 07:09:00 PM »
Yea guys mine gets plenty hot ,but the inside is only 8" of working .I have door in both sides but only 8" will get hot I would like to make a 12" to 14" billet maybe longer.
Are you trying to tell me to only work part of the billet at a time???
Karl you can see mine has a steel bottom part of the tube I have that wool in it.Not worried about the bottom yet.
Guys could I lay it down horizontal cut hole in top that would probably give me 12" then I could make something simple and temporary to close doors on the side.
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2009, 07:16:00 PM »
Karl went back and looked at your pics .Got It!!!! Will it get hot enough in that extenion tube????

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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2009, 07:39:00 PM »
It won't GET HOT, but once you have it hot, it won't be subjected to the room air while it's in that tube.
It'll hold its heat for a while.
With a 12 inch forge, and proper fuel/air supply, like Lin and I have, where you run high pressure from the tank, and then tweak it down with a needle valve at the forge, and PLENTY of air, you'll heat up more steel that you can move.
And it you're making Damascus, you want to forge it HOT, and if you heat up 10 inches of steel, it'll cool off before you can work it anyway.
No reason to heat up more steel than you can move while hot.
Work the end first, then run that into the extension tube and work the next section.
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2009, 06:48:00 AM »
Wow guys, I don't forge but this is a great topic!
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2009, 11:49:00 AM »
That's right Karl, I only care about the part I can heat and forge untill it cools. I cant say this too much. Forge damascus hot. When it gets down to medium red, go back into the forge.

When I get a billet drawn out so long I cant heat it all, I start working the front half, because of the weight distribution. I get it the way I want and work the back half, blending the front and back to look like it was all done at the same time. Let the heat lap over each time.
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2009, 12:44:00 PM »
I need info like that.
I'll be tweaking my Damascus "talents" this year.
Speaking of Damascus, you testing MS this year?
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When the last buffalo falls on the plains,
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2009, 01:03:00 PM »
That's the plan Karl, but we'll have to see. I'm stretched out thin lately. Figure of speech only  ;) .

There's so much to learn. Lin
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2009, 12:42:00 AM »
Cool stuff everybody! Looks like a great little hammer Kevin! Well been to the TBM anual gathering this weekend so missed out on this one. Did I mention I won a bow in one of the raffles  ;)  

Anyway while some sure work better than others there are alot of options in forges. My first gas forge was a metal five gallon bucket lined with ceramic wool with a 3/8" copper pipe run thru the side to feed the LP. I built several after that but here's my 1st really successful one.
 
There is a 6" hole cut thru ceramic brick all plastered with refractory cement then the whole thing wrapped in ceramic wool again. What ya think of that burner manifold? That was when I had access to lots of cool toys at a place i worked...

When we moved to MT weight was a real concern so I sold most of my stuff and bought an NC Forge Whisper Momma I think and have been using it since. Here it is behind me, sorry it's not real clear but it's a 3 burner atmospheric, takes a little more pressure than one like Karl or Lin's but works pretty good for a square-ish fire box.
 
It's not the best but I've run alot of metal thru it and will work OK till I get a real flame thrower built again.

Oh and did I mention I won a bow in one of the raffles this weekend  ;)
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2009, 06:12:00 AM »
Pics Doug, pics.  Of the bow!  :D
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2009, 02:25:00 PM »
Doug
You don't have to wait till you kill something with it to let us see it!!!  :campfire:    :archer:    :archer:    :archer:    :biglaugh:

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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2009, 02:54:00 PM »
Doug I like that hat!!! You like like youz just jumped off a pony at the Battle of the Little Bighorn!
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2009, 03:00:00 PM »
Awesome thread guys. Giving me some great ideas for the forge I want to build. I have a few link to suppliers sites but would prefer to deal with someone who you guys trust. Where should I go for my blanket and cement? Skippy

Do you think If I made a firebox inside small like the firebrick size that I could fire it with the bernzomatic torch for starters?
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2009, 08:40:00 PM »
Very nice , Congrats Doug :0)  :thumbsup:
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2009, 12:42:00 AM »
Sorry for getting off topic, well not really  ;)  But he's building the bow to my specs so I wont have it for a couple months. Thanks

That hat looks like it's been around since the Battle of the Little Bighorn Ray  ;)  Karen finally made me retire it  :eek:
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2009, 10:19:00 AM »
Doug, I really dig that manifold on the forced air forge!!
Looks like you got it off of a V6.
Congratulations on the bow.
Hope you can build a knife to match!!
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When the last buffalo falls on the plains,
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2009, 09:35:00 PM »
I knew I'd seen that barn before  :)   Here are a couple of other picture of Doug's set up...Doc

 

 
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2009, 11:08:00 PM »
Cool, I remember that  ;)  

Headed out for TX in the wee hours tomorrow. See ya there Doc and you other guys hold down the fort for a couple weeks I got pigs to chase.   :D
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Re: Forge Pictures/How To's
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2009, 12:17:00 PM »
I just ordered up some supplies from Ellis Custom Knifeworks for some Inswool/satanite/ and a firebrick. I'm going to start with the infamous Wayne Goddard one brick forge and then start my build up for my pipe forge. I think I'm going to stay small so I can still use a propane torch. Then go bigger and better as I learn. Skippy
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