2009 Blade Show

[OconeeDan]

For those of you who couldn't make this show, here's a couple of photos.  This is the largest knife show in the world.  Knives of every shape and size, people from every walk of life.  
Many of the knives belong in museums, as they are truly works of art.  Although I will probably never own anything this nice, it is good to see what is out there and how nice they can be.
Here is Lin Rhea (left) and Ray Hammond (right)You should have seen Lin's dagger.  It was one of those that belonged in a museum!
 
It was good to meet Doug Campbell, he seems to be one heck of a guy.  And makes some great looking knives too!
 
And here is Karl Anderson, holding one of his favorites.  From what I saw, all of his knives are really nice.
 

[skullworks]

Looks like fun!

[Guru]

Gotta luv that cowboy!

[Wampus]

Nice pics Dan.  Did you happen to hear anything about a new high-vanadium forging steel from Cruicble Steel?  Been hearing rumors that they were going to make an annuncement at Blade.

[Lin Rhea]

Wampus, I Dont mean to butt in. I got some of the low down on it. I have flyers on it and will try to share some of it when I get home. It is designed specifically for forging, but has some alloys to add toughness and wear resistance. Dan Farr is testing it and had microscopic views of the dispersion of the alloys in a photo album. I'm sure he will pass along any information we want. I am in the process of aquiring some of this steel, but we'll see. I'll let you know more soon. Lin

[Wampus]

Thanks Lin, looking forward to hearing more about this.  Dr. Jim Batson mentioned the new steel in the works at his 2008 Tannehill hammer-in but haven't heard much about it since then.

[OconeeDan]

Glad Lin jumped in.  I haven't heard of it, guess I need to crawl out from under my rock more often.
Dan

[Lin Rhea]

I just got in and had to kick back for a few minutes. Thank you guys. I will follow up as photos and news comes in. I hope all made it home safe. Lin

[SKYLER W]

Sorry that we didn't get to meet and Visit with everyone. We were only there for a few hours Friday but we had a great time.......

[Ray Hammond]

skyler, skyler, skyler. I was there all Friday too.

Wish you had let me know...we probably passed each other in the aisles and didn't even know it.

It was great, wasn't it?

[SKYLER W]

Yes Ray, it was....and we regret not making more of an Effort to meet everyone but it was overwhelming at the Number of Blades and Sharp pointy things.....Next Year We'll do better I promise......We really wasn't sure we'd make it to the Show at all, but managed a few SHORT hours......

[Lin Rhea]

For anyone who might be interested in the steel that Wampus mentioned. Here is the flyer that I got from Dan Farr. I'm sory that some of it is upside down. You might copy and edit it or print and fold into a trifold configuration. I think I will get my hands on some of this steel tomorrow. Lin
 

 

[Wampus]

Thanks Lin!  Looks kinda like W2 on steroids.  The analysis of the W2 that I got from Don Hanson is:

C -  .95
MN - .22
V - .19
Cr - .15

This new stuff:

C - 1.05
Mn - .75
V - .75
Cr - .50

I've read that Vanadium carbides are one of the hardest substances around and great for wear resistance.  Hope it's not hard to move under the hammer with all that stuff in there.

[Doug Campbell]

Hey Guys, Karen and I made it in bout 10:30 last night, lots of catching up to do but it was a great time!! A real pleasure meeting Lin, Ray, Sky, Don, Dan and of course seeing My OLD Buddy Karl    We're looking for that special gal for ya buddy    

A man could get knife overload down there real easy...

Better get back at it...

[Lin Rhea]

Doug,
        I'm going to pester you till you have your stamp.    I'm glad yall made it home safe and sound.

Wampus, The "Crucible Forge V" is specifically made for those of us who like to forge. Dan has some large photos of the microstructure of the steel showing how evenly and consistantly the carbides are distributed in comparison to other steels that we often use. It was very impressive. Lin

[Wampus]

I called that number on the brochure (800-365-1168) and talked to them.  They said they originally had it in the system as 1086V and there is some for sale out there under that name but now they're sticking with the Cru Forge V name.  Minimum order is $75 if you order directly from Crucble.  I can't find anything at all about it on Crucible's website yet.

Wonder if it takes a fast quench oil like P50 or something more medium like Park AAA?  The sales lady didn't know.  I'd like to see a TTT diagram on this steel.

[Lin Rhea]

Lin,
I use a relatively fast oil, but just because that is what I have.  Dr. Batson tested with all speeds of oil and had no problem hardening it.  It is designed to be easy for everyone to heat treat.  
It was great as always to see you also!
Great job on the test knives.  


Dan
 

This was from Dan Farr, the user and promoter of this steel. He knows as much as anyone about it. He actually was one of their(Crucible's) testers and I trust his judgement. I'm supposed to have some brought to my job today. Lin

[kbaknife]

I'm waiting for the tech guru at Crucible to call me with some in-depth info.
After a little thought, I think I will use some of the Parks #50 - which is a fast oil - but rather than heat it to 120-130, I believe I will leave it at room temp to start, and then warm up 10 degrees at a time until, well, until.
The alloy content suggests a deep hardening steel, which normally takes 8-10 seconds to set-up, but the suggested procedure recommends treating it like W2 or 52100??! That doesn't make sense to me, because I would treat W2 and 52100 differently. W2 is shallow hardening and 52100 is deep hardening.
I'll know more tomorrow which willbe good as that's when I get my steel!

[Lin Rhea]

Dan just sent this for the new steel. Lin

 

Lin
My heat treat schedule

1 - forge to shape, heat to red and stick in vermiculite.  
2 - rough grind/ mill shoulders
3 - normalize 3 times.  cool to room temp between heats.
4 - heat in furnace at 1500 for 10 minutes.  quench in oil.
5 - cool to room temp, put in freezer until cool then in Liquid N2 overnight.
6 - 2 hour temper at 410
7 - use torch to draw back to blue with edge in water. cool to room temp.  repeat for 3 times total.
8 - 2 hour temper at 415
9 - 2 hour temper at 415-425


Dan


 

[kbaknife]

I wonder what speed of oil and at what temp.
I hate it when folks just give partial info.