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Offline Pete Crowl

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2012, 07:26:00 PM »
That's just beautiful.  Great damascus pattern!
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Offline DANA HOLMAN

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2012, 09:24:00 PM »
Lin, thats one fine peice of work,
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Offline Todd Robbins

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2012, 09:27:00 PM »
That's looking great! I can't wait to see the finished product!

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2012, 01:36:00 AM »
LOVE that gorgeous pig hunting knife, Lin.

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Offline Craig B

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2012, 09:12:00 AM »
WOW........

Offline gables

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2012, 12:00:00 PM »
Thanks for sharing your work. That is beautiful. How did you carve the grooves in the handle? What was your sequence for doing the guard? Slot, shape, then bend? Also, how did you rework the slight gap of the gold oval to the shoulders as you pointed out in an earlier photo?
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Offline Lin Rhea

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2012, 12:18:00 PM »
Good questions.

As for the guard, I had it laid out flat but profiled roughly. I then put a center line from point to point and milled and filed the slot, using the enter line as a reference, a little undersized so I could settle it into place with needle files after the points were curved around forward by heating and tapping. I got the slot fitting good and snug and drifted the points to line up with the cutting edges.

The grooves in the ivory. I took a piece of 15N20 band saw material and ground the general shape of the topography into it. I sharpened the edge as best I could then used it to scrape out the groove. The groove follows the outside profile so I used the outside edge of the ivory as a guide. This, of course, meant that it had to be sized already. For the guide fence to ride against the ivory, I rounded it a little and buffed it smooth so it would just slide and not scratch. A little sanding took away any burnishing that it left.

Here's a picture of the tool as I was just testing it. The ivory was too thick at this point so I was getting a feel of how it cut. Also, I knew that I wanted to remove the rough edges of the pin holes, so I was going to remove some of the surface anyway.
   

The slot in the gold was fitting. I just failed to hold it up tight with my fingers. I just had the guard and the gold slid on loosely. Try to concentrate on too many things at once.
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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2012, 01:34:00 PM »
Outstanding!!! I consider a dagger to be traditional. Just as the English Longbow was used as a weapon, still traditional. The idea behind the Dagger is old but your spin on it is timeless!!

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2012, 06:17:00 PM »
You are da man Lin!!!!
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Offline Lin Rhea

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2012, 08:45:00 PM »
Thanks guys.
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Offline Steve Nuckels

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2012, 08:45:00 PM »
Lin, I was glad you mentioned you forged the dagger to shape.  I remember about a year ago on another forum, a controversey concerning forging/stock removing damascus daggers for MS judging.  

At my level of experience I find the thought of forging a dagger daunting, much less grinding the bevels.  I was wondering if claying was a viable technique before you described it.

Did you let the clay dry completly over the course of hours or days, or apply it and dry it at the mouth of the forge in conjunction with normalizing then quench right away?

Beautiful dagger and I love the drawings!

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Offline Lin Rhea

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2012, 08:38:00 AM »
Steve,
       I dont push hard on the controversy about forging to shape. What ever a person wants to set as his limits is ok as long as he is clear about it. I like to forge as close as I can, but that's me. Some patterns wont allow that so that would be ok since it shows a mastery over the situation.

       I thermocycle the blade and clean the oxides off, for the most part, and clay it, then stick it in the oven for a half hour at 300 or so to dry it. Then I come up to heat as evenly as I possibly can and quench. I will get my forge hot first so as to have an atmosphere that will radiate heat then heat from the tang end till it starts getting some color, than turn the blade around and even things out.
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Offline Izzy

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2012, 08:20:00 PM »
Just aint no ceiling for your talent.   :notworthy:    :notworthy:

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2012, 06:17:00 AM »
:clapper:
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Offline Lin Rhea

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2012, 04:13:00 PM »
Thank you for your comments.

Here is the completed knife in one of Chuck Ward's photos.
   
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Offline 2treks

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2012, 04:50:00 PM »
Very Nice Lin.
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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2012, 06:14:00 PM »
WOW that was really nice    :thumbsup:
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Offline Doug Campbell

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2012, 09:45:00 PM »
There was no doubt in my mind it would turn out incredible. I must have missed it, is that gold inlay Lin?
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Offline Crotalus

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2012, 12:34:00 AM »
Looks great Lin.
Love the ivory, nothing can match the feel of ivory.
Take care bud,
LP

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Re: Dagger (pro photo added pg 3)
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2012, 12:59:00 AM »
Chuck's images do show this off very nicely.  I love the way the gold highlights the undertones in the ivory.

Chris

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