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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2008, 10:03:00 AM »
Man, John really is working you guys! I feel sorry for you....yeah, right! Good thing it is raining and windy out or you would be wanting to get out look for Roosy's. The bows are looking GREAT! Adam's doing a fine job on that grip. I love your El Naturel bow Bjorn. Infact 55#@28" is just right for me...you need a mailing address?   :biglaugh:
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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2008, 10:29:00 AM »
Yep more info on the tillering technique would be interesting.

Thanks for posting your adventure.  Looks like a good time.
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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2008, 01:45:00 AM »
We didn't have any internet last night and today was the 700 mile drive home.
It was a priviledge to spend a week with 'Dr. Tiller' learning his techniques for building self and backed bows.
I'll post some pics on Saturday of the finished bows and the one I am still working on; as well as a try at shedding some light on the good Doctor's tillering technique.

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2008, 01:50:00 PM »
Oh boy, can't wait!  Safe travels Bjorn. Looking forward to seeing what your hard work produces.
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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2008, 05:58:00 PM »
A few words about some techniques that were new and interesting and of course, tillering.
To remove wood we used the usual draw knife-very sharp, Dean Torgues rasp, cabinet scraper, and Dean's scraper-looks like a spoke shave-but it is a scraper. The most used tool for scraping was a small lock blade knife made by Gerber.
We used lots of sand paper-John insists on removing all toolmarks at the end of each step.
We would remove wood and keep track with tape measure and calipers and carefully eye-ball each limb for a gradual taper down to very small light tips.
We would also 'feel' the wood in our hands to detect peaks and valleys in the limbs.
when we were far enough along we cut in the string grooves and strung the bow-measure for string tiller in two spots-max depth and 14 in from the tips.
We exercised the limbs with the bow laying on a work bench; or just drawing it.
We never used a tillering string, no walkie-talkie, or block; no tillering tree, no tillering stick, and no 'floor tillering'.
John sees nothing wrong with those items, they just didn't seem to fit his methods. For large classes he will use a tillering tree for demonstration purposes.
It seems there are lots of ways to skin this cat-all right and none wrong-and there is plenty of room for all.
Anyway I am going to use some of what I knew from before and primarily follow what Adam and I learned this week with Dr. Tiller!

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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2008, 06:13:00 PM »
And a few pics of the bows, Adam made one bow and went bowling for a day-'well at least I'm not playing Warcraft'!
I got to whack out two bows-one of them not quite finished; but should be ready to shoot Monday.
Here is Adams Boo backd Bloowood and my Osage
 
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Dr. Tiller shooting one of our bows
 
Here is the uncompleted one
 
The tip overlays
 
And a close up of the wood and grip
 
We had a marvellous time with Pat and John, and Tillamook is a beautiful community-the ocean, wooded hills, rivers and just nice folks! Too bad the cows let out so much air! The place needs a visit by Al Gore!

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2008, 12:11:00 AM »
Looks like a fine pair of "Pig-Stickers" to me.  I'd love to see them draped across a pair pig's backs this fall.

Did you have any time to look for elk while you were there?  

What an awesome trip to make with your son.  The next generation might just be okay if there's enough kids like Adam around.  Way to go "Dad".

Very Nice   :clapper:  

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2008, 07:23:00 PM »
Ditto on Traps comments Bjorn. Nice job to both of you.

Please bring those bad boys up to the range tomorrow evening to let us eyeball them in person and drool a little.

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2008, 02:18:00 AM »
Love the Bows and I was at Johns the weekend before you and your boy got there. he told me you were coming in. I am lucky he is in my back yard and I will make many more visits and yes your right he does things different but he is a master. He and his wife are great people and I think he loves golf as much as he does archery. I would only ask that you not tell to much of his methods without making sure you have his permission. He had a guy do this before and he was not real happy with him. Good luck and keep building. I am on my Third bow sense I left his house and just ordered three more stave's from him.

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2008, 10:51:00 AM »
Elkslayer, can we see pics of your bows?
I did get a Vine Maple stave 'to go' so I will start on that this week.

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2008, 12:30:00 PM »
I believe someone did a buildalong for the handle wrap that John does. He is a master as you say and has a right to keep his methods to himself.
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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2008, 05:39:00 PM »
You are right Dano, there was a build along and it got pulled by someone's request...........I believe a former student of John's.
The handle wrap and tip overlays are 'signatures' and I think if a person wants to know how to do it they should take a course given by Dr.Tiller.

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2008, 06:57:00 PM »
I believe that if John has portions or all of his methods that he would prefer to keep proprietary that he has a responsibility to tell his students that, not leave it up to guesswork.

I am pleased to learn something of his tillering methods. I like the measure and look method of making the limbs taper in thickness and flow in profile. I have been told this method before and have adopted some use of it myself. I had first hand experience with it when I made a hatchet bow and was pleased with the results that can be had by eyeballing and then by feeling the dynamic tiller after attaining a decent brace tiller.

I don't think most folks want to copy trademark design motifs like the handle wrap overlays or the particular knock overlays, but could be wrong. Anytime I see that handle style I assume its one of John's bows or at least a student of his.

Again, I truly appreciate the shared information and applaud Mr Strunk's craftsmanship. Perhaps a phone call to him would be in order to make sure that you are not skating on thin ice with any shared methods. Thanks Bjorn for sharing and kudos for the parenting quality time.

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2008, 09:48:00 PM »
Shaun I agree with you and for that reason I sent the link to this thread to the Strunk's early on and Pat has shown it to John to look at, no complaints-they were happy to get the plug! LOL.

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2008, 12:18:00 AM »
I was just letting you know what he had expressed to me about the handle build alone. I don't think he has a problem with what you have done. He will no doubt get more requests for classes or bows but to for warn you he is booked through November. I have the first weekend in Nov. Good luck. LOL I will post pics of my Strunk style bows here only if it is ok with Bjorn. I dont want to high jack a thread.

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2008, 12:31:00 AM »
Sorry I didnt see that it was you that asked I will get pics on here asap thanks and I am glad you took one to go LOL I did the same and just got all the coats of finish on it. I have two completed one is a osage and blood wood combo with bamboo, and it is a beauty. the other is a osage and bamboo and bamboo. The one I am working in now is a Yew and epey and bamboo. Not sure if I spelled the epey right but it will be a beauty as well. I ordered two more yew one with blood wood and the other with epey. I am taking a self bow class in Nov. I want to start a Osage carter bow. I have a nice yew stave I want to work on but it will wait till after I take his classes. I love his bows and enjoy learning from him. Never could tell he was a teacher for over thirty years LOL. I will get pics asap. I have some in the building process but I have not taken any complete but I will in the morning.

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2008, 12:16:00 PM »
Ok with request here is the two finished bows. One reflex deflex and the other is a flat bow. One has Blood wood core and Osage with Bamboo backed the other is Osage with boo core and bamboo backed. I have even one more like the flat that is a sister bow and I am currently working on a yew and epay core boo backed bow.

 

 

 

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2008, 01:48:00 PM »
Very nice work-obviously you sanded out the tool marks! What are the specs?

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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2008, 02:34:00 PM »
VERY nice bows!!    :thumbsup:  Looks like the two of you had a ton of fun and learned a bunch.

I hadn't realized the wrap-along had been pulled - it was a good one.  It's a look/process I've used on a few bows and really like.

I respect Mr Strunk's awesome work, but he's by no means the first to overwrap a grip in that fashion.  There are similar examples of sword grips and period artwork that stretch back 100's of years.  That particular pattern (or one very near it) appears on a surviving viking sword if I remember correctly.
A wrap of leather thong or linen cord followed by wet-moulding the leather over it was also very common to add texture and interest to a grip without the color contrast or fear of it slipping.

This wasn't meant to take away anything from John's work, just pointing out that the idea and methods have been around for a very, very long time and are still used by other craftsmen.
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Re: Building self bows with John Strunk!
« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2008, 05:31:00 PM »
The bows are 55@25 and 54@25, both are 64" long. I love the bows but I cant wait to get the yew one done. I love the look of it. I am also looking forward to the charter bow in Nov. I just showed my bow to a buddy and now he wants a stave. I might keep John in business just for my self and buddies.

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