Thanks TradBowyer, I called bingham this morning before I checked this posting and founf out that they use 10.25"x3/8" instead of the 8.25. hehe I also was talking to a guy and ended up with a fairly large number fo cedar lams for free, some are 1.75" and some are 2" by 36 " long, nice looking wood and varying thicknesses. thinking bout trying a cedar and glass lam bow next