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Author Topic: Am I at Risk??  (Read 947 times)

Offline TonyW

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2008, 09:38:00 PM »
If you drilled out the riser using a piece of hand flaked obsidian or a bear claw, you are okay with me.

Fred Bear's knuckles were elevated, after all.

(Whoa - I just looked at one of them there NAP center rests, and they are butt ugly, kinda look like a black spark plug without the bling.)
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Offline Kingstaken

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2008, 09:55:00 PM »
One question   'WHY?"  :confused:  

I know Iknow Iknow,,, less contact on the shelf...

Better to put a small piece of something under the rug on the shelf to raise it up and piece of tooth pick behind the riser piece to get away leaving a small gap between the two for fletch clearance.. That way you won't have to worry about the Trad police.
But then again any bow builder already knows this..So the real question again is   "WHY?"
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Offline Hornseeker

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2008, 10:59:00 PM »
:D  
Well guys, I only asked the Trad Question for fun! I am interested in input on how others use rests though...

I think I will be happy with it..I may switch to the little springy wire rest majigger...but I dont have one right now. I can fill that hole with black epoxy and ya dang near wont see it... but... I dont know when or why... this little bow will shoot just as good and look just as good with a hole in the riser! :0)

This post is doing exactly what I was hoping for, providing some entertainment for all of us!

Thanks!
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Offline kawika b

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2008, 11:04:00 PM »
do it Ernie,,, unless it's one of your Carbon Riser   :saywhat:
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Offline Tree man

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2008, 12:42:00 AM »
Ulnie, you clazy!
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Offline Labs4me

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2008, 05:15:00 AM »
What Kingstaken said!

Before I drill a hole in the riser of a bow that meant anything to me, I sure the heck would exhaust all my other options. I've always believed the purpose of using a rest, is to minimize contact with the bow and/or to effect center shot.

To accomplish this same end- and with great success I might add - I've always created a 1/16" fulcrum (contact point) by simply putting a tiny piece of rubber band under my shelf material at a place on my shelf and riser which coincides with the deepest part of my grip. To be more clear, this is the same spot on my grip where I measure my bow's brace height at.
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Offline Ray Hammond

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2008, 06:15:00 AM »
a counterterrorist? I thought that was the Marines?? That's an ARROW REST??
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Offline Rob DiStefano

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2008, 06:19:00 AM »
Whatever floats yer boat.  

Longbows are designed around a shelf rest, I dunno of any that were created specifically for any form of elevated rest.

The inherent beauty of a longbow's design and function is to launch arrows off a shelf, close to your bow hand.  Get yer aiming eye down to the shaft, keep yer arms in alignment, and you have the perfect setup for instinctive barebow aiming/shooting.

YMMV, as it obviously has!  :D
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Offline Kingstaken

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2008, 09:16:00 AM »
No No No...Not the dreaded lil springy thing.     :scared:        :scared:  

Now that's gone way to far, next you'll be putting on a TM Hunter and using a release...   :readit:    

Rob I agree. I guess people just cannot get past the perfection associated with a compound bow due to it's engineering.    :knothead:    ;)
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Offline BobW

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2008, 09:22:00 AM »
No-Big-Deal.  Whatever works for you.  If it adds to your enjoyment of shooting your bow, I say do it.  Hey, aren't Silvertips recommended to be shot off an elevatd rest?  Doesn't DAS and other major names use them?  To each their own.

Good Luck.

BobW
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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2008, 09:25:00 AM »
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Originally posted by BobW:
...Hey, aren't Silvertips recommended to be shot off an elevatd rest?  Doesn't DAS and other major names use them?  ...
Those are recurves - longbows are typically quite different.  I'll assume we're all taking "instinctive" aiming/shooting ...  

Elevated rests and recurves came together for sight shooters, or any archer that uses some kinda aiming system (POA, GAP, string walking, face walking, etc).  

Truly "instinctive" archers want as much direct sight alignment as possible, and that means getting the bow hand as close to the arra as possible = a shelf rest.
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Offline BobW

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2008, 10:04:00 AM »
Aren't we actually talking about someone wanting to have fun?
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Offline Rob DiStefano

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2008, 10:41:00 AM »
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Originally posted by BobW:
Aren't we actually talking about someone wanting to have fun?
Depends how each of us define "fun".   :D
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Offline Hornseeker

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2008, 10:52:00 AM »
Well, the hole is plum through the riser...and yeah, Kaw, it is one of the carbon risers. I'm sure that carbon disqualifies it as a longbow already, so adding a rest isn't going to do anymore damage!   :eek:  

Seriously though Rob, I'm just playing with some different shooting styles. Elevated rests are used very successfully by many recurve shooters that shoot "instinctively"..in that, they aren't using sights, and many aren't using a conscious aiming system either..just playing around and I have the luxury of the tools/skills and bow materials to do it!

Frankly, I want to shoot vanes and get top arrow clearance... this is what it'll take, I believe. I've got several other longbows that will remain "off the shelf bows"...

Dick, send me a Hill and I'll get a rest on there for ya!! :0)

Anyone else here shoot a rest on an LB??

Ernie
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Offline insttech1

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2008, 11:00:00 AM »
Do it, go for it...enjoy it!

Don't let the nay-sayers give you grief about it, either.

The "only" grief you should get is if you are in competition and an elevated rest breaks the rules.

All the rest of it is experimentation, and pursuing what you enjoy.  

Let the couch quarterbacks bask in the glow of their monitors and enjoy listening to their own complaints....

Those that have valid points--like Rob, perhaps--have some point about the geometry involved between hand/arrow and the claimed pure instinct with the body aiming and not the eyes...but a properly installed/modified elevation can in fact improve shootability of some bows with heavy arrows, as it increases the height of the arrow, in some cases forcing the archery to place less of an emphasis on the arrow's trajectory, and more emphasis on the relationship of form.

In other words, it'll make the bow shoot higher than what you're used to, which may help your "instinctive gap" or "form" or whatever term needs to be foolishly picked at here, if you have a heavy arrow with slower speeds.

See Ya,
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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2008, 11:16:00 AM »
My comments were aimed at enlightenment and I never said "don't do it".  

If it's yer bow, do with it as you wish ... and by all means, have fun.
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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2008, 11:17:00 AM »
"and by all means, have fun"

Thats what I'm doing!...didn't mean to stir anything up, just like talking about archery...

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2008, 11:18:00 AM »
You ain't stirred up a thing other than git some folks a'thinkin'!  :D
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Offline bayoulongbowman

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2008, 11:23:00 AM »
Git her done....if it works...DO IT... :)
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Offline burnie

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Re: Am I at Risk??
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2008, 11:37:00 AM »
I shoot of the shelf with my long bows, but I do have a recurve that I put a cushion rest on back in the 80s and never switched.  I also have a flipper rest on another recurve as well.  So I guess im guilty of blasphemy of to the trad gods as well.  I bet they will get over it.  ;)  


Shhhhhh, dont tell anyone, Ive been shooting carbons as well for the last three years.  :scared:
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