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Offline Curtis Haden

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6 to 8 hours...
« on: April 03, 2009, 06:46:00 PM »
Well, I got my first limb in the oven.  Hoping to build a 3 piece t/d longbow, based on Bingham's pronounced r/d design.  I'll start posting some pics if the first limb turns out ok.

The Smooth On instructions said minimum of 4 hours at 150 degress (I think).  Noticed most build-alongs I've looked at, the guys bake them for 6 to 8 hours.  I'm using Bingham's thermostat control with two 200 watt bulbs, which should put me between 160 and 180 degrees.

What do you guys think?  6 hours?  8 hours?  Can you "over-bake" one?

I've kind of resigned myself to waiting till morning to glue up the other limb.  Put this one in at 2:15 PM.  If I can take it out around 8:15, I might have time to get the other one layed up and in the oven tonight.
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Offline Curtis Haden

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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2009, 08:11:00 PM »
Well, duh!!!  I guess it'll be morning for the other limb after all.  Forgot about having to let the first one cool in the form.

The nice thing about the glue-up/baking/cooling time is that I have plenty of time to sit here and think about all the ways I could screw this up...  HA!
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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2009, 10:35:00 PM »
Good luck Curtis, I am sure you will do fine. Just take your parts and make them look like a bow. Simple huh? You have lots of help to get you along on. Can't wait to see it.
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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2009, 07:59:00 PM »
I'm shooting a 3 pc T/D pronounced longbow from the bingham plans. It is 58# @ 28" and it smokes! I'm shooting an arrow around 540 and it is visibly faster than my T/D recurve that is 65# @ 28. I like the profile.

Take note of the post about recurve breaking. There is some good info in there about center line, templates and such. Also the one about T/D/ riser and limb drilling jigs.
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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2009, 12:45:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Curtis Haden:
Well, I got my first limb in the oven.  Hoping to build a 3 piece t/d longbow, based on Bingham's pronounced r/d design.  I'll start posting some pics if the first limb turns out ok.

The Smooth On instructions said minimum of 4 hours at 150 degress (I think).  Noticed most build-alongs I've looked at, the guys bake them for 6 to 8 hours.  I'm using Bingham's thermostat control with two 200 watt bulbs, which should put me between 160 and 180 degrees.

What do you guys think?  6 hours?  8 hours?  Can you "over-bake" one?

I've kind of resigned myself to waiting till morning to glue up the other limb.  Put this one in at 2:15 PM.  If I can take it out around 8:15, I might have time to get the other one layed up and in the oven tonight.
I just finished my first lam bow....the directions on the smooth-on said min. 4 hours at 180 degrees....I built my box by their dimensions and installed 4-200 watt bulbs....thermo stats didn't work worth a crap...so I put on a dimmer switch to adj. the temp as needed...works like a champ....I drilled a hole on the front of the box and inserted a meat thermometer to check the temp.....Steve

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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2009, 11:55:00 AM »
Well, as you may have surmised from my lack of activity on this thread, my first limb didn't turn out exactly right.  Made a couple of amateur errors, but since I am, in fact, an amateur, I'm not too upset.  Just a bit delayed in getting the first bow started right.

First mistake was not adequately protecting the pressure strip from the glue.  I'm sure that someone else, somewhere, has ripped and pried an aluminum strip off a fiberglass bow limb before, after epoxying them together.  He and I can attest that it is a sick-making feeling!

The big problem however, was an uneven glue up of the top two lams.  The top fiberglass and a taper got shifted off to one side -- probably when I aired up the hose.  They were off far enough that by the time I got them ground down even, the limb was too narrow for my plans.

I think I'm going to build a new form before I start trying to do this again.  The Bingham's blueprints call for an index pin alignment system at the butt end.  Unfortunatly, if you build it according to instructions, the limb butt is taller than the index pin.  The rest of the stack was fine, but those two lams above the wedge slipped off without the added pressure up against the pin.  Also, because the distance between the upper and lower form pieces was consistent, I had less room to work with for checking everyting at the butt end.

I did check it before I set the works in the oven, but apparently not close enough.  Oh well, lessons learned and I'll try again after I order a new limb kit.

One favorable note is that my glue lines looked very nice.  The wedges faded into the other lams very nicely, almost invisible, and the amount of glue I used looked to be about right.  6 hours at 180 degrees appears to do a good job.
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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2009, 01:54:00 PM »
It's a learning experience....U might want to
wrap that limb with some stretch wrap then
put it in the form. U can get a big roll with
a handle at walmart. Stretch it tight, it will
hold ur limb pieces together. I thnk u want to
cook at about 160-180 ??? stretch wrap will NOT
melt under 200 deg.

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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2009, 02:37:00 PM »
Well you learn best from your mistakes. Let's just say I've learned alot! So much so I named my first bow "Wisdom Stik"

I wouldn't ditch your form so fast. As far as the index pin not sticking up enough. Yeap thats a problem but you can't have it sticking as high as your limb butt cause it could keep your pressure pad from laying flat clear to the end of the limb. I tape the end section but it still wants to slide over the end so while I'm taping down my limb I make sure as I progressively tape down the limb in the press that I keep pulling and making sure the top glass and lam is flush till it's completely taped down. I use filament packing tape to hold my limb in the press in about five places. I also first cover my press with saran wrap and then once it's taped in place cover in saran wrap again. Then I put on my metal pressure plate and tape it in place again over where I'd taped before. I also have little metal plates I slide up to help hold my limb from sliding sideways but I honestly feel I use enough filament tape it isn't going no where.
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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2009, 07:44:00 PM »
Curtis if you start with a fencepost you wont need to use all that slipery glue, hehe. it still setting in the corner when you are ready. loyd

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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2009, 07:57:00 PM »
Another selfbowyer gone to the dark side Huh Loyd?
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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2009, 08:03:00 PM »
I've thought of putting a spring under a moving pin...... Been there, done it!
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Offline Curtis Haden

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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2009, 09:07:00 PM »
HA!  I haven't forgotten, Loyd...  I'm just approaching this bow building stuff like I bowhunt.  Slow and with few expectations!!!  Still planning on taking my own selfbow to MoJam this year!

I'm gonna go ahead and get to rough shaping my riser before I try another limb.  Do a little more thinking and planning in the meantime.  I'm still considering drilling a little hole through the wedge and lams, and using a toothpick or similar material to "pin" the lams together on the form near the limb butt.  Seems like that would work if you chopped it off flush with the top lam.
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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2009, 11:08:00 PM »
Good thinkin! I think binghams says to cut 1/4" off the butt anyway,so that would work super!
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Re: 6 to 8 hours...
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2009, 10:37:00 AM »
"Pinning" lams.  Freaking brilliant.  Both ends.

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