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Offline razorback

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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2010, 10:26:00 AM »
Damded ugly bow. You should send it to me for proper disposal.  :bigsmyl:  

I love the look of cherry, one of my favorites. When working it did you have any problems with chattering in the wood. I have often had that when using it for other woodworking projects.

With cherry's wavy grainwhat is the best orientation of the board to get one without grain runouts like those. A little scarry but sweet looking.
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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2010, 12:59:00 PM »
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Damded ugly bow. You should send it to me for proper disposal.   :bigsmyl:  

I love the look of cherry, one of my favorites. When working it did you have any problems with chattering in the wood. I have often had that when using it for other woodworking projects.

With cherry's wavy grainwhat is the best orientation of the board to get one without grain runouts like those. A little scarry but sweet looking.
That's ok Razor, I got a fire going that'll eat that bow up right now! I'll make sure she gets disposed of properly.

Here's the thing I learned about cherry in this particular experiment: It's not oak. lol

With that said, here's some more detail. I noticed, when you are working oak, or other woods that have somewhat of an open grain, and you have runoff, you're going to get upset cause that bow WILL peel it's runoffs during tillering, the tiny sections of open grain between the ring you're working and the edge leave the grain no chance of surviving the stresses you're putting on it.

But cherry is far different. VERY uniform in density, regardless of the grain. Take a look and you'll see what I mean. The oak's grain is porous, and the grain also looks hairy, not solid like the cherry's.  

The riser shown here is from what has to be the best grained red oak board bow i've made or seen. Perfectly quartersawn with pretty much straight grain end to end. It's a lot heavier than cherry as well.

 


But if you look at the cherry's grain, and mind you this is just common cherry, you can see the growth rings are very solid and uniform, and the cherry itself is very dense, yet light. Shown below are two bow's risers made from the same 1X8, that I split into 3 staves. The first one was with the heartwood as the back, and the second was with the heartwood on the belly, cause of the grain's orientation. I think you'll see what I mean:

First the board itself, you can see the heartwood and sapwood clearly,

 


 


 


For this one, I went with the grain's orientation being played against the draw of the bow. This was a tough decision for me cause I was afraid the runoff would come back to bite me, even tho my theory proved somewhat accurate. I got less set on this bow than the one prior. Both had grain runoff at the limb's edges, but neither have checked. yet! lol

 

See? No voids or air pockets that could lead to problems in the future. Just nice dense wood with solid earlywood lines, and even better looking latewood.

But you asked about chatter, and your answer would be no chatter for me. But then again, I don't scrape, I use a belt sander mounted on it's edge. I did a few scrapes here and there on both of them, but still no chatter. Nice long answer for a short question!   :biglaugh:

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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2010, 11:05:00 PM »
Gorgeous bow, Fish. That is a great wood combo.
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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2010, 01:07:00 PM »
Man that's a beauty

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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2010, 07:46:00 PM »
Great looking bow, but man those run-outs scare me!

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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2010, 09:24:00 PM »
It's a beauty but that grain is scary. Jawge

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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2010, 12:09:00 AM »
Thanks for the cheers guys. Kinda wish you guys ould shoot it. I think your confidence would surely increase. I managed to get her chronoed. 140 fps was the average. Not a wheelie but with 600 grains and a well placed shot, i'm thinking she'll down something.

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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2010, 05:17:00 PM »
those tips are beautiful...do you have any pics after glue but before shaping? im curious how tall the pieces were before shapin.

also how much flex was put into it...


in other words , id love to build something very similar for myself...


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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2010, 04:23:00 PM »
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Originally posted by hova:
those tips are beautiful...do you have any pics after glue but before shaping? im curious how tall the pieces were before shapin.

also how much flex was put into it...


in other words , id love to build something very similar for myself...


-hov
Thanks Hov. Unfortunately, I didn't really take any pics during this build's glue-up. Kinda wish I had now but I can still answer your questions. In the end I still refer to, and recommend any non-pro to check out 4est's toot. I wouldn't be having the great time with these bows that I do without it.

 The tips end up being a total height of about 2 3/8" to 2 1/2". depending on the sheet goods you go with. I haven't gotten to the level of being able to chop down, mill and finish my own bows yet, but until I have the resources and can, I keep it simple and fun by going with store bought stock, ranging from 1/8" x 3 x 24 to 3/4" x 3 x whatever, and arrange as desired. The stuff I get looks like this:

     


You create the curve you like based on the overall height you get when you build up your recurved section. As far as flex goes, what you see is actually the natural "set" that the bow takes from being drawn and strung up so often. It's not necessarily a good thing cause it in turn means you're losing draw weight as well. It eventually gets to where it's gonna stay and you just admire the curves. Hope this helps. Have fun!

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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2010, 04:39:00 PM »
Great job bud!
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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2010, 10:27:00 PM »
Beautiful! There is nothing else to say.

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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2010, 08:45:00 PM »
That is a cool looking bow. Very creative. Knifemaker

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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2010, 09:23:00 AM »
So far I must've flung some 300 arrows out of this bow, and it gets harder to put down each time. I have more fun shooting this one than my factory built bows. I just gotta get some arrows spined closer to the bow's weight. Thanks again for the props ya'll. This was definitely my favorite build yet.

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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2010, 09:39:00 PM »
Wow what a looker.  I have never seen cherry hold together without a backing a some sort.  i am truly astonded.  I'll say this, cherry will make a smokin bow.  I have made some hickory backed and ash backed.  the ash backed ones seemed to be the best.  Did it take any set??  the ones i have made took almost no set.  cherry is really good in compression. all my best cherry has come from woodcraft too.  Love the tips,  only thing i would change is maybe a linen or silk backing (just for security).  Great Job.  Cherry is such a heartbreaker, i hope it lasts and lasts for you.
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Re: # 6 - Finally a bow for myself
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2010, 12:37:00 AM »
Thanks Sulphur. I am going to try and back a bow soon. I haven't researched it yet, but I know I'd like to do something with gator. Maybe I'm shooting for the moon, but you can't win if you don't play I say. As far as this bow's set, pretty much what all my other bows took. I don't know how to measure it really, I'm figuring to be about 1.5". If I lay it on a table, the riser section doesn't quite touch the table. But the pic should help. BTW I hope it lasts too!

   

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