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Offline Dick in Seattle

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Two New Bows
« on: October 14, 2010, 09:45:00 PM »
I haven't posted work here in awhile, but I have stayed busy filling up my wall pegs.  I made my first reflexed longbow, first kid's bow and my first forward riser Hill style.  These are all posted in my Gallery at:

 http://dickwightman.com/archeryactivity/bowbuilding/gallery/bowsmade.html

Then I took a few weeks to upgrade my shop by having it rewired, painted and new lighting installed:

   http://dickwightman.com/archeryactivity/bulletinboard/archerybulletinboard.html

I’ve been working on two bows at once ever since I finished the shop work.   One was a case of working with a teenager who had expressed an interest in bow building while we were at shoot this summer, the other was an attempt at a heavier bow than usual for me.   I undertook this one because several of the Hill list members had been after me to see what I could to at a heavier weight if I gave it a try.

The teen, Jesse Havens, is still in high school and a non-driver, so doing that bow had to stretch over a period of time as we fit working sessions into his school schedule.   I did the planning and a lot of the critical work, but Jesse got hands on experience at each stage of the operation and next time will go it on his own.    His bow, which he named “Bamboo Beauty”, came out very nicely.  

Layup:
.040 black glass
.110 lamboo parallel
.115 lamboo tapered .0015
,110 lamboo parallel
.040 black glass
Total Glass: .080
Total wood: .335
Riser 16” zebrawood
Finished bow: 68” 45@28

Here are some pix:

 

 

 

 

 


The second bow, the heavy one, I decided to make a forward riser, using red elm on a laminated bacote riser.   It came in at 57# and surprisingly smooth at that weight.  I named it “Orion” for the constellation Orion the Hunter.  

Layup:
.050 clear glass
.090 red elm parallel
.090 lamboo tapered .0015
.090 lamboo tapered .0015
.090 red elm parallel
.040 clear glass

Total glass: .090
Total wood: .360
Riser: 18” laminated bacote
Bacote limb tips
68” 57@28

Here are pix of it:

 

 


   Orion was especially interesting to me because on the first layup of a forward riser that I did, Forward Scout, I immediately noticed that the clamps fit and accommodated the shallower, smoother fade curves of the forward riser much better than they did the steeper fade curves of the more traditional riser. I took to referring to the forward riser pattern as an "overpass riser" and the traditiional riser as a "ski slope" riser.

Somewhere between my second and third forward riser bows, it dawned on me that the forward riser layup just as it comes off the form, could equally well become a standard belly mounted riser. This would involve two very simple changes: 1. At the point where the bow becomes a finished bow blank, i.e. no shaping yet, I could simply draw a perpendicular line from the center of the overpass riser downwards, then place a center-finding ruler on that line and move it down until it showed 4" (standard longbow hand flat), draw that line, then run the blank through the drum sander and sand down to the drawn line. This results in a pretty standard looking belly mounted riser, just with gentler curves on the fades. The only other difference or change between forward and rear riser is simply the cutting of the nocks, angling them appropriately for the riser you're building.
Here are Orion and Bamboo Beauty, side by side, showing the use of the riser pattern on both back and belly:

 
 

Just for the record, no, none of these bows are for sale.
Dick in Seattle

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Offline kerryb

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Re: Two New Bows
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2010, 10:08:00 PM »
good looking bows Dick, nice work

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Re: Two New Bows
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2010, 11:01:00 PM »
Nice looking bows Dick.  Bet you enjoyed helping the young man get started.  I have helped a several guys get into bow building through the years and it was always very rewarding.  Thank you for being the kind of guy that is willing to help young people get into bow building.

Offline Hermann From Bavaria

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Re: Two New Bows
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 01:39:00 AM »
Two outstanding bows, Dick! Thank you for increasing the Bowyers-Community. My full Respect on this!

Greets
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Offline Swissbow

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Re: Two New Bows
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 11:25:00 AM »
Those are two very fine bows ! That young fellow is a lucky man to have such a great teacher and mentor to guide him into bow building. I love that bocote riser that looks fantastic.

I have a question about the forward riser though. Is there a notable increase in stability compared to the regular one ?

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Offline Dick in Seattle

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Re: Two New Bows
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 12:34:00 PM »
Swissbow...

My ability to comment is somewhat limited.  I've built three now... Forward Scout, Arakhor and Orion.  Forward Scout was 45# (high for me) and was for a bowyer's bow swap, so I didn't get to shoot it much, mailed it off the day after I finished it.  Arakhor is my "go to bow of the moment" but that's only been a few weeks.  Orion, as I noted, is way beyond my draw ability, though I seemed to shoot it very well using that famous anchor point:  "pull till you can't any more"  8^)

I've shot Arakhor quite a bit and like the forward riser a lot.  It seems to point more naturally, which figures as it's really kind of creeping up on being a hybrid.  Given my short draw of 25" I like that it extends my draw about an inch.  The limb placement, behind the hand, actually seems to give you an extreme string follow situation and seems to be very forgiving, though I won't swear to that till I get some more experience with them.

Meantime, I like the way they look, they curves let me show off the wood a bit more and they're fun to make though a bit more work is involved.  I hope to build a few more of them before trying something else.
Dick in Seattle

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Offline bjansen

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Re: Two New Bows
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2010, 01:25:00 PM »
Nice Bows!...I especially like the reverse handle!

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Re: Two New Bows
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 03:52:00 PM »
Nice bows for sure.  Like Brad said I like the reverse handle

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Re: Two New Bows
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 08:24:00 PM »
Dick, I've been lookin at your bows here for a while and I have to say "Orion" is just a beautiful bow!   :thumbsup:  I would love to shoot one of those one day. Great bow buildin buddy!!
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Offline Badwithabow

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Re: Two New Bows
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2010, 09:05:00 AM »
i love that reverse handle i was actually toyin with that same idea on my next one... i may just try it..
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Re: Two New Bows
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2010, 11:57:00 AM »
Awsome bows Dick.

 You'll have to get in on the TG bow swap.

 ANd thanks for the offer you made by the way, I will let you know something on fri.

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Re: Two New Bows
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 07:33:00 AM »
really classy looking bows,

Offline David Ricke

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Re: Two New Bows
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2010, 06:08:00 PM »
Nice work, I never realized how many talanted bow makers there are until I got on trad gang. Good Hunting Knifemaker

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