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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2011, 04:58:00 PM »
I used to have two amber flexible rulers for layout... Guess where they are! Joe may be on to something here.
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2011, 11:27:00 AM »
Joe,
You forgot the Marshmallow, chocolate and gram crackers!
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2011, 08:46:00 PM »
if i wasnt using the in-laws garage as my temporary shop , you better believe it would look like a sawmill in there. i used to work at a lumber yard and they were always griefing me about the mess i left behind. i always told them whats the use of having all that sawdust around if youre not going to use it...


i see a few shaving in that fire barrow that would haave made lovely tip accents. thanks...


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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2011, 09:19:00 PM »
When tillering, I save the fine shavings in coffee cans. I take them camping and it makes great tender for starting fires. Great for early cold mornings!
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2011, 07:56:00 AM »
Yep, that's exactly what I do at first too. Rip and tear till you see yella wood, then stop...take a break.....and come back later when you are ready to take it easy. I almost get in a frenzy when removing bark and sapwood and my adrenaline really gets pumping, it's like a fast paced intense cardio workout.

I use my shavings for kindlin to start a fire in my wood stove, especially now since it's middle of January. I've got an entire trash can full of shavings and left overs so I started dumping mine in our trash burning barrel. Then they get burnt when it's time to burn the trash.

I was hoping you would do a bow build at some point Joe, I can't wait for more. I'll be watching this thread all the way through.

Are you gonna skin one of them when your done?
That really gnarly one would make a great bow for some skins, but it's gonna be a bugger and fight you all the way to the bitter end!
Be sure and eat your Wheaties before tackling that one!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2011, 12:38:00 PM »
great thread!  thanks for sharing
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2011, 12:52:00 PM »
I am enjoying this, good to see the work.
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2011, 07:58:00 PM »
DAY TWO:

On and off the job all afternoon!

The staves are ready to chase a ring on but first I need to deal with the checks in the wood at the end of the staves. These checks were caused by drying. The ends were sealed with shellac when they were cut but the ends still checked on the back of the staves but, not on the very ends???
 This checking under the bark is another good reason to have staves 70" or more. You will still have length you can remove on each end and end up with a stave long enough for a bow.

Here you can see the checks that were not visible until the bark was removed. The checks or drying damage on one of the staves is around 6" long and needs removed.

     
   
I mark the stave with a pencil on the ends where the damage ends (away from the tip) and the good wood begins. Then measure from the 1st mark to the other end of the stave where the damage begins agian. At that time you'll know how long of a stave you have and decide how long to make each stave. Then I use a handsaw to cut the ends off at the pencil marks.

     

Here they are, all 4 staves cut to length and the checks removed. They are as follows 68", 67", 66" & 64" long.

     

Now that the staves have had their length reduced, it's time to chase the rings for each bows backing.

At first to chase a ring, I will stand a stave upright on the floor and clamp the top of the stave into the vise. Starting at the end or top of the stave, I'll use the drawknife with the beveled side down to remove a ring or two rings depending,,, to get down to my chosen ring. Once on top of the chosen ring, I chase that ring down each side of the stave.

     

Here I have outlined with a pencil the upper ring I am removing. I remove each side then go down the middle. Trying to only go 6" or 10" at a time.
A good light or the right light angle is criticle for seeing the rings during this process. I find that the natural sunlight is best for this step. Being inside, I have a movable light source so I can move the light for the best veiw of the rings.

     

Once I have gone 12" to 18", I'll clamp the stave in the vise horizontaly to finish chasing the ring.

     

Once you've cleared the ring you want to chase, move the stave further up and into the vise. This keeps your work close to the vise and the light. The further away you work area is from the vise allows the wood stave to bounce and you'll have less control using the drawknife.

Continue using the drawknife beveled side down to chase the ring. Beveled side down allows for more control. Less wood is apt to be removed at any one pull on the DK preventing the DK from digging in and penetrating the chosen ring. Simply find the angle of the blade that when pulled on stedily, provides a lifting, sort of chattering of the wood as the upper ring pops loose from the ring you're chasing.

     
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2011, 08:04:00 PM »
joe, im not that skilled with a draw knife. i got to chasin a ring on bernies bow, got to the last layer of sapwood and went right to the scraper.  you have a great thread goin. give me a call when ya get a chance , ruddy.
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2011, 08:38:00 PM »
Just keep repeating the process of going down each side and then the middle.

 
   

Here I have come across a verticle crack in the backing or chosen ring. I use a pencil to mark the crack so I dont miss it later when laying out the bow or reducing the width of the stave. I don't want this crack ending up at the edge of the bow limb!

   

You can see to the right of my pencil mark; I will still have a couple good inches left to work with even if I completly remove the crack by reducing the width of left side of the stave to the crack.

   

The mark on this crack will also remind me not to clamp the stave down in the vise too hard in that area. Clamping it down hard in the vise in that area could break and split the stave even more.

At the very least the mark will remind me to fill the crack with some super glue!

   

Continue chasing the ring down the stave until you've gone clear to the other end.

   
   

Here at the end of the stave you can see what is left of the ring on top that I am removing. You can also see the second ring needing to be removed and in the circle drawn on the end of the stave is where the tip of my bow will probably end up being.

 
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2011, 08:40:00 PM »
Great thread, Joe. I learn something from each of your builds.  Much appreciated.
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2011, 08:53:00 PM »
Now the backing ring has been chased end to end and you can clearly see the backing and rings at the end of the stave.

 

I only had to re-chase a ring on one of the four staves. I had compromised the back ring and had to go one ring deeper. It took most of the afternoon to chase all four staves due to the constant interuptions from others. It should only take an hour or so to chase each stave.

Here is a motly looking crew of staves ready to have the width and depth reduced.

 
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2011, 11:55:00 PM »
Man, you work fast! I think you've done this a couple of times.

Great thread, I'm gonna watch this one all the way through.   :thumbsup:
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2011, 05:19:00 AM »
Did he really say an hour to chase a ring? It took you less time to chase four plus one twice than it took me to chase one. I am just working really slow so you can catch up, yeah that is it, I am letting you catch up.

I hope I am an Osage whisperer  someday. SEMO_HUNTER I think you and your spoke shave could give him a run for his money.
Joe thanks for sharing with the rest of us
God bless and Happy building,
Kelly

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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2011, 07:38:00 AM »
Wow Great Job. Thanks for the build along. I am going to start my first selfbow from a stave this spring. I have a nice osage stave that has been drying for 2 years.

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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2011, 07:57:00 AM »
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Originally posted by KellyG:
Did he really say an hour to chase a ring? It took you less time to chase four plus one twice than it took me to chase one. I am just working really slow so you can catch up, yeah that is it, I am letting you catch up.

I hope I am an Osage whisperer  someday. SEMO_HUNTER I think you and your spoke shave could give him a run for his money.
Joe thanks for sharing with the rest of us
God bless and Happy building,
Kelly
Nope, he's faster. It still takes me several hours to chase a ring and that's if it's on a good stave. A crooked one may take me an entire day!   :knothead:  

But I take my time so I don't end up chasing it twice, that has alot to do with it.

Joe is just down right good!   :thumbsup:
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2011, 07:57:00 AM »
I know this must be a bit boring to some members but, guys like Steve may benifit from some of it this spring. Steve, sounds like your stave is ready to work. Lots of good info on others threads too so be sure to do alot of reading and looking before you begin yours.

Yes, I said 1 hour to chase the ring on a decent stave. Even less if the stave is thin in width! If there is ever a chasing contest at a bow meet, I will enter and givem a run for there money.

I too used to be way too cautious but experience has shown this process to be easier than one thinks. Putting too much thought into some parts of preparing a stave is not necassary. Alot of books and articles on the subject make it seem scary to the beginner; when it is not really all that hard. Remember, they were doing this with stone tools thousands of years before we started up!

Tony Chinn is driving down here this morning from KY to help some and learn some. Maybe I'll have some pics of our progress later this evening? I sure could have used him last week when I stripped the staves!

Anyway's thanks for the comments and support. Check back in later! 43 pictures uplaoded and posted to this thread already. I forgot how much time this stuff takes.
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2011, 07:58:00 AM »
Osage whisperer   :laughing:
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2011, 08:35:00 AM »
Osage whisperer   :pray:    :pray:
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Re: Hand tools & Osage bows
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2011, 08:41:00 AM »
SEMO,
heck if I could get to a ring that fast and have to rechase one in four it still would be fater than now. LOL

Joe aka Osage whisperer,
this is not boring at all. I am on my fist and learning as I go. Seeing how others do is just what I and other need.

Thanks,
Kelly

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