Author Topic: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s (Read 1497 times)

snag · « **on:** February 18, 2008, 07:45:00 PM »

These are the first dozen I have purchased. I love the weight and feel of these so far. I am shooting these out of a 55#@28" Blacktail RH recurve D97 string. I started with bareshafting these at 31" with 150gr. tips. They flew 1"-2" right or weak at 20yds. Can I fletch these at this point? Will that stiffen them enough to pull them into the bullseye? Or should I take another 1/4 off to pull it in a bit more?

I am thinking about fletching 6 for this tip weight and then bareshafting the other 6 with 50gr. inserts and 150gr tips. Thinking of getting the length down a bit. Most all the arrows I shoot at 29.5"-29". Just seems like a long arrow at 31". But it sure shoots well.

csbullseye · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2008, 07:53:00 PM »

Shortening the shaft or decreasing the point weight will stiffen the shaft. I always tune my arrows so the bare shafts fly perfect.

Big'n · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2008, 07:59:00 PM »

Snag,I shoot 55#@32"and my 250s bareshafted perfect with 250 grs. up front. Of course my arrows are full length. So you oughta be real close. I believe that I would try to get it a little closer. You might be able to get rid of another 1/4 to 1/2. God Bless. DAVE

BobW · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2008, 08:23:00 PM »

Big'n:
Just curious, you shooting a recurve, D-shaped Long Bow, or R/D Long Bow? I've been throwing Heritage 250's w/ 225 up front on 56#@32".

BobW

NoCams · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2008, 08:33:00 PM »

snag,
I am no expert by no means, but I do know this.... Carbon responds to length adjustments faster than adding or subtracting weight. Especially when you start getting them shorter than 29". They can get stiff quick once you are under 29". If you fool around and get them too stiff it is almost impossible to soften the spine by adding weight. You can, but you usually have to add another 100-150 grains and by that time you may have an arrow that is too heavy. JMHO.

nocams

bowquiver · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2008, 08:40:00 PM »

I think maybe i would fletch 6 of them up and shoot 3 w/broadheads & 3 w/field tips. Fine tune from there.

Shawn Leonard · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2008, 08:46:00 PM »

Ya want them t obareshaft a tad weak, so if ya like a long shaft that is fine, if ya want that 29.5" shaft I would do like above and go to around 225 up front. If ya don't want all that heavy of an arrow and want to stay around 9gpp, I would get the 150s and cut them to 29"s and shoot 175 grains up front, I am sure you would be on the money with the 150s. The 250s are a bit too stiff for most 55# bows unless ya leave them long or have lots of weight up front. I have shot them and tested them fo rthe past two years and now shoot nothing else but some wood sometimes. Shawn

Big'n · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2008, 07:42:00 AM »

Bob, I'm shooting the 250s out of a Black Widow Longbow (Ref.-Def.) that is cut to center. They flew perfect with 225 up front but as Shawn said above I like mine just a shade weak, so when I add a wrap and fletchings it balances out perfect. Probably doesn't matter either way but I'm a little anal about stuff like that. DAVE

snag · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2008, 09:28:00 AM »

With the 150gr. tips they weigh in at 545gr. at 31". I've got some screw-in weights that I think I will try after cutting one of these down to 30"-29.5".

Paul Mattson · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2008, 10:30:00 AM »

If they are acting weak. Try building out your strike plate first, before doing any cutting.

snag · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2008, 12:12:00 PM »

I thought I would cut one down to 30" and see if it would bring it in enough. If it would stiffen it too much I would add more weight. That one inch brought it right in. I think I will shoot them at 30" because of the great arrow flight. I could cut them down another .5" and add weight...but they fly so well now I don't want to mess with them anymore...?

snag · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2008, 09:30:00 AM »

Guess I just can't leave things alone! I got some 100gr inserts. I will cut one of them down to 29.5" maybe 29" and see with 125gr tips if they fly as well as without at 30"...?

doeslayer · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2008, 10:17:00 AM »

I'm shooting 30 in. 250s with an 50 gr brass insert 145 gr tip wrapped and 4in 4 fletch. These are out of 58 @ 29. they fly perfect bare shaft @ 30 yards. 602 finish weight.

Featherbuster · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2008, 10:31:00 AM »

where do you find the adcock site???

M60gunner · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2008, 11:37:00 AM »

I would also cut a small amount off and try to bareshaft at 30 yards. I found that the shafts do a little more moving around at 30 yards.
I may not agree with the size shaft you picked. I think the 250`s are to heavy for 55 lbs. They may fly straight at 20 yards but after much more than that they will drop to much. My 250`s came in at 560 grains each. I like about 500 grains for my 55 lb. recurve and R/D longbow.

snag · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2008, 12:20:00 PM »

I cut some down to 29.5" w/ 100gr inserts and 145gr. tips. The finished arrow comes in at 610gr. or 11gpp for the 55# recurve. The FOC is 15%. They fly great. I can only shot out to 20yds in my backyard or I would try your idea M60gunner. But I am really impressed with their flight and how they hit with authority! I think these will make good elk/deer arrows. At 20yds they don't seem to drop much more than lighter arrows I have shot. I am sure out to 30yds that would be different. I did leave the other 1/2 doz. at 30" w/ 150gr. tips for target arrows.

These carbons were so much easier to tune than another brand I tried. I don't know if the CEs are just heavier or they respond better...?

hickstick · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2008, 12:33:00 PM »

I'm shooting:
Bh : 125 grain glueon WWs with 75 grain adaptors
Fieldpoints: 200 grain ezpull screwins
both with a 100 grain brass insert
so I'm shooting about 300 grains up front.

I haven't measured the shafts but I think they are around 29" maybe 29.5 (these are the CX terminators, not the heritage)

I also wrapped them BEFORE bareshafting (as OL recommends)

Labs4me · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2008, 01:30:00 PM »

Hickstick:

What weight are you pulling at your draw? What kind of bow do you shoot?

Snag, I had the same favorable results tuning C.E. 250s compared to the marathon tuning session I went through attempting to tune the "other" traditional carbon arrow. No adaptors to screw around with. I just cut a few 250s to my desired length and then played around with a few different field tip weights until I had the shaft indicating slightly under-spined. From there, three, 5.5" maxis stiffened it up to perfection. DONE!

snag · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2008, 01:37:00 PM »

Got to love that Labs! Wish I had tried these first...I wouldn't have pulled out so much hair!

hickstick · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2008, 02:11:00 PM »

monty...good question...
its a custom 3piece recurve. and I'm pulling just about 56 pounds @ my 27.75 draw...

the first set I bought where the cheap, post season clearance arrows from wally world...so they were already cut shorter than 29", and i had to strip the vanes and pull the inserts. HAD to up the point weight to decrease the spine...

the most recent where raw shafts I bought of flea bay, so I bare shafted those with the same point weight (actually tried 200 & 250, before deciding to just stick with the same heads I already made up.)


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