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Author Topic: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...  (Read 721 times)

Offline Benny Nganabbarru

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A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« on: February 20, 2008, 03:30:00 AM »
G'day again!

With the spotlight on broadheads with a single-bevel lately, I thought I'd share a Grizzly 160 grain broadhead anecdote.

In Australia, for some reason right-wing feathers are more common from what I've noticed. I don't think it's a political issue, except for turkeys. So, even before we knew how important it was to use RW with Grizzly BHs (thanks to the Good Doctor), we were set-up the right way.

A few years ago, on one Sunday a mate and I built a bush-blind at a donkey playground near the Katherine River.

 

Waiting in it that evening, a jenny donkey came past the back of the blind, and at 21 metres I made the shot, with my 60lb@28" Martin Hunter recurve (my first trad bow) and a 2419 wearing a 160 grain Grizzly (total weight of 760 grains, I think). I was probablly drawing 29.5". And it's time for a confession: I was wearing a face-mask that I'd not practiced with before, and it interfered with my "picture", or whatever piece of magic I use to get an arrow from A to B. And so the shot was awful. I knew that the moment the string dropped, and I watched with horror as the arrow zipped through the air and into her neck. In the same split-second, I was amazed to hear a loud "crack!" and watch the donkey instantly collapse. I hurried over to finish her off. That was my sixth bow-and-arrow kill, and my fourth with traditional equipment (haven't used a compound since my first two kills).

 

Here are some photos I took just today of the vertebra and the broadhead, still stuck, from that donkey:

 

 

 

I love trying new broadheads, and I like a range of 2- and 3-bladers for different animals from different bows. Some animals I like to try different broadheads on just for variety's sake. It's a natural response to like the broadheads you've been successful with. They all work well in the right application, and from time-to-time each will fail.

Just thought you might find these bone photos interesting.

Cheers,

Ben
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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2008, 05:43:00 AM »
WOW!!!

Great report.

I'm going to Ausie one of these days. You make it look so fun.

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2008, 05:15:00 PM »
Yeap thats a donkey alright LOL Pardon me for the laugh We don't get many legal shots at them here in the states. Impressive results with the broadhead thanks for posting the pics. Now what is a donkey play ground, how crafty are they  and do they taste like beef? Thanks

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2008, 05:21:00 PM »
A Donkey?

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 06:04:00 PM »
Shrek's gonna be pi**ed!

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2008, 06:05:00 PM »
Great post!!

Please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems very weird to hunt donkey's.  It is all in how and where a person is raised.  Hats off to you for sure, just a little wierd for us over here across the pond.

Is that a "good" donkey, or considered a trophy over there, like a nice buck or bull here, or is it more like a trophy doe for meat??  Just trying to understand your way of life.

oh and how do they taste?

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2008, 06:35:00 PM »
I would jump at the chance to hunt ferals in Australia!! I have followed you pics since you have been posting them. They are truly cool pics.

Keep up the pics!

J

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2008, 07:38:00 PM »
:clapper:
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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2008, 09:13:00 PM »
That there is funny,i don't care who you are!!
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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2008, 09:24:00 PM »
Good ONE!  :biglaugh:
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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2008, 09:37:00 PM »
Howard Hill said hunting for burros out in the California desert was one of his funnest hunts with the bow & arrow.

They would ride on the big fenders and shoot them on the run.

Howard said, he loved a good piece of A

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2008, 10:24:00 PM »
Thanks, fellows, I'm glad you liked the photos. As you said, there are huge cultural differences even though we speak English and shoot the same bows. I'll try to address a few of these differences; the "When in Rome..." proverb is indeed applicable.

Donkeys as trophies: I suppose you could get them taxidermised if you wanted. I've never taken the hide, but they do look good, especially with the cross on their back. Some of our Mission-educated indigenous folk don't allow them to be shot on their land for that reason (tradition has it that the cross appeared on donkeys' backs after the Good Lord rode into Jerusalem on one). Most of our animals don't end-up hanging on the wall in any form, but they are trophies of memory. As far as donkeys go, we're just happy to get any mature adult regardless of gender. And if it was an immature donkey that was the only one to present, well, it would be in trouble.

Donkeys as meat: Yes, they can certainly be eaten, although I've not eaten them. Station people in the outcamps would shoot a donkey for meat if they ran out of beef. It's fine.

Not taking meat or trophies is understandably foreign to most people here. In the USA and in Africa, hunting is done to manage responsiblly a natural resource, a resource that actually belongs there. Not so in Australia, where hunting is done to eradicate feral animals that are responsible for much environmental damage, and with it loss of life for native species which are now endangered or vulnerable due to this excessive competition. These animals that we hunt are not simply a novelty, they are a massive ecological disaster. They cost agriculture billions of dollars each year. And that's just the finance side of it, as you can't put a value on habitat / food-source destruction for the native marsupials. Remember, the biggest animal that should be here is the red kangaroo. So, we're not hunting native animals - only the "bad" ones. We view what we do as being similar to what we'd do as school kids on "Clean-up Australia Day", where we'd all get gloves on and cart rubbish bags around to pick-up the litter that thoughtless folks drop. When I shoot a donkey, it is just like picking up someone's carelessly-dropped Coke bottle and popping it into the bin.

Because of this, there are no laws saying we have to use meat from animals we kill. Of course, you can if you need to, and we occasionally do (goat, buffalo, feral cattle). But it isn't that necessary to us. Also, it is usually so hot that the last thing we want to do is butcher a beast. It quite literally gets to the stage of having to survive one step at a time for the walk back to the vehicle, even if it is only 800 metres or a kilometre away. And then there's the distance to home, usually too far to keep the meat from spoiling before you get there.

I hope this sheds some light on the unique hunting endeavour in Australia. I read a great article in TBM about situational ethics, the mere mention of which will be unacceptable to some. At teachers' college, one of our lecturers (he was a cool lecturer to have, very keen on his pig hunting, and helped rebuild schools in former Yugoslavia for the UN) gave us a pearl of wisdom for when we encounter the various people on our planet: "We need to ask ourselves, 'Are they different or deficient?' And mostly they'll be just different."

Cheers, and good hunting to all!

Ben
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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2008, 12:07:00 AM »
In the US we have the Wild Horse and Burro Act, I believe its known by.  One of those feel good laws that have proven to be an environmental problem since no one has figure out how to get them to quit reproducing and the feds don't live up to the promise to keep the numbers in check.

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2008, 12:11:00 AM »
Thanks alot Ben!

That was one of the most interesting reads.  I had no idea those conditions existed there.  Very facinating indeed!!!  Thanks for clearin' things up a bit.

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2008, 05:38:00 AM »
I forgot to answer a couple of questions:

How crafty are they? They are very good at avoiding me. I find them more difficult to hunt than pigs, goats, camels, horses, or buffalo. They have excellent senses, it seems, or I'm just very clumsy, which is likely.

What is a donkey playground? It's a piece of real-estate that attracts donkeys, for the purposes of socialising, resting, mating, dust baths etc. Even though all that happens elsewhere, too, it seems that they do like to choose a few areas in their range for these purposes. These areas become bare and de-vegetated, and then the rain and wind erodes them more and more, until there are large wash-outs. But, when active, they are good places to ambush.

Cheers,

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2008, 08:47:00 AM »
Thanks Ben that answered my questions perfectly.
Keep us posted with more pics very interesting.
Thanks Rick

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2008, 09:38:00 AM »
Ben,
Excellant trophy and very interesting read! It was nice reading and seeing how the broadhead performed on that shot! That's one nice donkey! I'd love to get over there one day to hunt them!  ;)  Thanks for sharing mate!  :thumbsup:   :D

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2008, 11:12:00 AM »
Ben,
What types of scavengers do you have over there that will the animals that you have to leave behind?  Here, many birds (including our Bald Eagle), coyotes, foxes, bears, and many rodents will eat animals that aren't found or killed by cars. (I found out the hard way when I didn't find an eight point, this year, right away.)
Thanks - great explanations.
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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2008, 11:26:00 AM »
Very nice story and you explained it very well.  It is very different then what we do here in the states but I understand why you have to do this.  Species that are not supposed to be there are destroying land in some places.  We have the same problums with hogs.

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Re: A Grizzly 160 broadhead anecdote...
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2013, 05:38:00 PM »
I just came across this thread and really enjoyed it  :)

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