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Topic: Hypothetical question (Read 8285 times)
sar
Trad Bowhunter
Posts: 186
Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #20 on:
January 01, 2007, 11:48:00 AM »
We'll simplify things to say that the car is a vehicle on a fixed track going exactly 160fps in a windless environment and the arrow is shot from a shooting machine set such that it will always shoot 160fps. The arrow's not going anywhere. The 160fps is relative to the platform it's being shot from, not another reference point.
In the real world some other forces might apply, but it won't go real far and might even go backward(bad release or short draw limiting speed, etc)
Vector math from physics 101...
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John3
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Posts: 2504
Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #21 on:
January 01, 2007, 11:53:00 AM »
Gravity is working on both truck and bow. The energy is still pushing the arrow. Speed will be exactly the same.. Point of release is still the point of release. 32'per second squared.... LOL
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Meathook
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #22 on:
January 01, 2007, 12:27:00 PM »
If you were inside a closed tractor trailer or an airplane traveling at 160fps and shooting at a target at the back of the box or cabin you would notice nothing different (assuming you were going level and straight).
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Van/TX
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #23 on:
January 01, 2007, 01:09:00 PM »
What DG said. For certain it will travel down the length of the truck bed at 160 fps
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Problem Child
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #24 on:
January 01, 2007, 01:41:00 PM »
This sounds like a project for MythBusters.
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Robert Honaker
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #25 on:
January 01, 2007, 03:01:00 PM »
A deputy clocked my arrow at 126mph.Converted that's about 185fps.There's no way I woulod stand in the back of a pick-up doing 126mph.But it would be fun to watch someone else try it.
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Plumbob
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Posts: 136
Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #26 on:
January 01, 2007, 07:53:00 PM »
OK, I'll drive, someone hop in. You aren't using my bow though, and noone tells my wife.
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Jim now in Kentucky
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Posts: 507
Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #27 on:
January 01, 2007, 08:19:00 PM »
sar and meathook have it right. I took physics too.
Now, put a deer on a steel-hauling truck (one of those with the narrow one-person cab). Make that truck and the one you are on tear down the road at 160 fps and shoot the deer. The same thing will happen as would happen if the trucks were stationary.
The deer traveling at 160 fps runs into the arrow, which is stationary relative to the road. The deer's vital area passes around the arrow.
I might have a better chance that way!
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Deerhntr
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #28 on:
January 02, 2007, 12:19:00 PM »
Rainman couldn't do this math.
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skeaterbait
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #29 on:
January 02, 2007, 12:46:00 PM »
I say the arrow falls directly to the ground. However, due to the bow having stored energy, the truck would be propelled to light speed and enter an alternate dimension where archery doesn't exist.
That'll learn'em.
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Old York
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Posts: 577
Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #30 on:
January 02, 2007, 12:48:00 PM »
Hmmm. First, we have to ask, "Is this a Ford or a Chevy?" There was a time when I could puzzle this out, but now? Well, my bow is so fast...the string is water-cooled. The windshield best be arrow-proof!
I'll wait to see the actual testing done in JackArseIII.
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Jeff Strubberg
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #31 on:
January 02, 2007, 01:00:00 PM »
Throw out a bunch of other factors and sure, the arrow would drop.
In reality, the drag of the fletching in the vortex behind a vehicle moving that fast means that arrow is going anywhere but straight down.
Translated====I don't want to be within fifty yards of this particular experiment....
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SRBZ
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #32 on:
January 02, 2007, 01:56:00 PM »
....could you get an anti-equalibrium state where if you were going slow enough at release then accelerated that the force of the arrow would actually DRAW the bow!?!?!
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chrisg
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #33 on:
January 02, 2007, 02:09:00 PM »
Here's another example that may add to the puzzle. NASA uses 747s on an alternating climb/dive flight cycle, trainee astronauts inside get to experience weightlessness on the dive cycle. IE relative to the interior of the plane they are weightless but the plane itself is moving real fast downwards! ? Vector physics says the arrow will drop but who would be on the truck and shooting at that speed?
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Caddo
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #34 on:
January 02, 2007, 02:26:00 PM »
Hold my beer......Watch this!!!!!!!!
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Keenan
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #35 on:
January 02, 2007, 02:56:00 PM »
Ok this is gettin good, Now if the truck was going 175 fps. and the bow shot an arrow at 160 fps. (out of the bacK) The arrow would in essence leave the bow travleing backwards. Then as air frction hit the fletches in arrow would flip 180 to correct flight then hit the poor fool shooting because the driver stopped to see what happened,,,Possible,!!!Keenan
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #36 on:
January 02, 2007, 03:27:00 PM »
Isn't it amazing how our posts digress as hunting season winds down?
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Brian Krebs
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #37 on:
January 02, 2007, 04:02:00 PM »
Which broadhead is best for this: a two or three blade- or a four blade???
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houseman
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #38 on:
January 02, 2007, 05:10:00 PM »
Stop the insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wtpops
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Re: Hypothetical question
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Reply #39 on:
January 02, 2007, 05:30:00 PM »
"If you were inside a closed tractor trailer or an airplane traveling at 160fps and shooting at a target at the back of the box or cabin you would notice nothing different (assuming you were going level and straight)".
"What DG said. For certain it will travel down the length of the truck bed at 160 fps"
This is incorrect the arrow would be standing still and the back of the truck would run into the arrow at 160 fps.
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