I have had a veritas dowl maker for a couple years and tonight I finly started playing with it and thats way to much funn that made a bad Monday go away I started with some junk hackberry and now I want a full set of em I made a 30inch practice arrow that isnt pretty to look at and she came in at 55# spine and 500grns on the dot sounds like that whole seasoned log I have hiding in the garage might have another purose now thanks guy for listin way to proud of this cool stuff