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Author Topic: No epitaph.....not yet *^)  (Read 2416 times)

Offline George D. Stout

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No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« on: February 26, 2008, 02:09:00 PM »
Well I guess the popularity of carbon arrows has an advantage to many of us; it makes the aluminum arrows much cheaper.
Folks nowadays seem to want to write-off the aluminum arrow as antiquated and no longer viable as arrow material. I'm here to defend the venerable "beer can" as a better all around arrow than its adolescent cousin....at least at this point.

Aluminum arrows are made in so many sizes, it is much easier to match a shaft to your bow without having to weigh-down the tubing end to make it bend.

With the carbon, there are about four sizes....find the closest and it's still too stiff...then you add weight to the end to make it bend. Then it is too light, so you add line to the inside to make it heavier. Then, you may need to add weight to the end once more to make it bend more.

It is said carbons are "much more durable." I have not found this to be the case; either that, or I'm the only person who has broken two dozen of them in about two years. My aluminums will take direct hits on stumps and rarely bend unless you side-swipe a tree or stump....then they bend. You can straighten an aluminum arrow to within .300 of an inch of straight. In two years, I have bent four alumninum arrows but have broken none during stump shooting. I have destroyed seven or eight Carbonwood arrows and at least that many Goldtips.

I have two bows that I shoot on a fairly regular basis. Bother are within two pounds of one another; one a longbow and one a recurve, both shoot the same size aluminum arrow without any adjustments to weight or spine, and they shoot them perfectly. I can shoot either field points, blunts, Ribteks or Bear Razorheads and they still fly perfectly. My arrows weigh right around 486 grains without adding any other weight system.

I do expect carbon arrows to become better over the next few years, as manufacturers gear some of them toward the traditional shooters. They will become more spine tolerant, and will have more mass without having to load with junk. As of right now, they are not varied enough in those categories to suit me. And, I can buy four dozen aluminum shafts for the price of one dozen made-up carbon arrows; but then, I do have to thank the carbon arrows for that 8^).

All in all, don't let the detractors tell you that aluminum arrows are junk; or that they will bend everytime you hit something other than a soft bale of hay. Of course, there will be folks who come on here and say they haven't broken an arrow since they switched to carbon, and I'll say good for them....although I may not believe them. But, if they are quite happy then that is all that is necessary. You have to use what suits you.

I've been using these archaic aluminum arrows for over forty years, along with my cedars...a few fiberglass and a few carbons. I haven't found any arrow shaft so superior to aluminum that I thought I should change. At least not at this point.

I still pick up a carbon or two every now and then. I have cedar, fir and even fiberglass and I shoot them all occasionally. But for arrow to arrow consistency...and accuracy, I'll pick up the Easton Aluminum 2016's. Try them all and be fair about your evaluation. They all work great...including aluminum.

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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2008, 02:19:00 PM »
As always, well worded George. While my findings don't mirror yours, I'm glad you are happy with aluminums.

I'd like to debate your points, but don't want to steal your thunder or sound like a whippersnapper to someone with obviously years more experience than myself.
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Offline George D. Stout

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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2008, 02:22:00 PM »
JC....that's fine.  I just think you don't throw out the butterscotch ice cream just becaue it isn't as popular as vanilla 8^).  Lotsa' folks will always prefer the butterscotch.

I'm not castigating those shooting carbons, just elevating my aluminums to the status they deserve.  It's not near time for a death nell.

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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2008, 02:24:00 PM »
George,

  I have been thinking a lot about using aluminum, but have little to no knowledge about aluminum arrows.  I do not want to go back to using carbon, I currently use wood and I am not happy with my arrows. My woodies have different weights and just do not seem consistent.

  I want to get aluminum arrows for my 43lb recurve.  What brand and spine would you suggest? Also where can I get them? Does anyone offer them with feathers instead of vanes? I appreciate any help.

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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2008, 02:32:00 PM »
Is it ok to like butterscotch and vanilla???     :smileystooges:  

I shoot CX Heritage 150's and Easton aluminums both, and they are both just dandy choices for me.  If anything, I think my aluminums have been a little more durable and less worrisome.

Now, I got my coffee...    :help:
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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2008, 02:33:00 PM »
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Originally posted by George D. Stout:
I just think you don't throw out the butterscotch ice cream just becaue it isn't as popular as vanilla 8^).  Lotsa' folks will always prefer the butterscotch.

I'm not castigating those shooting carbons, just elevating my aluminums to the status they deserve.  It's not near time for a death nell.
I whole heartedly agree George, certainly not time to bury the aluminums  :thumbsup:
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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2008, 02:34:00 PM »
I second JC's post. Nicely worded though George
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Offline George D. Stout

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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2008, 02:35:00 PM »
Curtis....now that's what I'm talking about son.

Charlie....Lancaster Archery Supply has lots of aluminum.  I would try a 1916 if your draw is 28 to 29 inches.  The black gamegetters seem to be very good arrows and very durable.....and relatively cheap.

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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2008, 02:36:00 PM »
George I have been using Alum. since the mid 70's and have not found a drawback yet.2018s and 2016 always worked in my 50-57 bow range.I have a few cheap carbons that work and others I cannot get to fly straight.At almost 58 I have stocked up on enough to get me through except some 1916 I use when I go lighter and maybe will need as I get older.Anybody got some 1916's.Kip

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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2008, 02:45:00 PM »
Yep, 2016s, 2018s, and the venerable 2020s. I love the 5/16 diameter aluminum "beer cans". I thought i'd never shoot my 2020s again when I dropped to 50# @ 26". However my Checkmate Falcon loves 'em - 2 inch groups at 30 yards bareshaft.
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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2008, 02:48:00 PM »
There are so many types of carbons out there it is hard to keep up.  The majority of them are made for the compound shooter. With all the manufacturer's no two have the same numbering system for spine wts.  But, with only one company making aluminums, sizes and makes have been going away.  It will only be a matter of time, before there is only be a couple of makes of aluminum in afew spine groups.

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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2008, 03:12:00 PM »
George,

You show me those cheap alum 2018s and I'll buy em for shoots! Might have to step up a bit. That Morrison, cut 3/16 past center, when I bareshafted 2018's after years of thinking they were dead nuts, showed "weak".  I still shoot em for shoots and nutsin around when I find them cheap.

At shoots, I'd gotten a great deal on GT's at $33/doz,so even working for a archery place, I didn't match that price on Alum...

What might I step up to a slight bit stiffer'n 2018 in small dia? 2117 seemed way too stiff...
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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2008, 03:21:00 PM »
Doc.....so after shooting them all those years, and they were flying great, you gave them up after bareshafting them, cause they showed weak?  Goodness sakes alive!  Wait until you find that bumble bees can't fly 8^).

I'm really glad I never got into bareshafting...it turns normal people into nervous wrecks.  You need knocked....Doc 8^).    :knothead:    :confused:

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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2008, 03:31:00 PM »
I love aluminums for a number of reasons. The #1 reason is thay are straighter than carbons. Now im not talking about the $200 a dz carbons. I have given them a good try 3 different doz. and any easton aluminum arrow in the same price range will spin on a tester much straighter. I have also noticed that on the carbons i have tried that if you check spine then rotate 90 degrees you get a different spine.

I know i im to anal about consistency with my arrows but i just started using XX78 super slams and i smile every time i put them on the spinner.
The new digitals are .001

All statments above are based on the 3 different carbon arrows i have tried.
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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2008, 03:50:00 PM »
Amen, George.----------------Bone

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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2008, 04:31:00 PM »
I shoot aluminum and don't apologise for it. Have tried wood-love the feel but not the variable weights shaft to shaft. Have tried carbon and they are noisy, at least to my feeble ears.
 Will stick to my cold aluminum when the shot counts.
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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2008, 06:07:00 PM »
I prefer wood, just can’t make myself shoot aluminum or carbon from my selfbows, even though either one out performs wood.  When shooting glass bows I go with carbon, found just the opposite of George, they are much more durable when stump shooting.  Also, a lot of my hunting is done in cold weather and I do not like the cold feel of a metal arrow, or metal riser for that matter.  Performance wise I partially agree with George, the aluminums with their greater selection are easier to tune to my bows.  However, after getting a set of “GOOD” carbons tuned to a specific bow, for me, they perform slightly better.  There is a wide range in the quality of the carbons out there and my personal feeling is that George is right about aluminum being better then about 70-80% of the carbons.  Just my 2 cents worth  :cool:
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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2008, 06:32:00 PM »
Guys weren't we discussing last week or so that Easton is reducing down to 3 or 4 the numbers of alum they will offer ? And number them like carbons- 300-400-500 ? If they do that the numerous sizing they offered will be out the door as far as "handiness" goes.
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Offline George D. Stout

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2008, 06:54:00 PM »
Tim....it's the "no bowhunter left behind" program.    :banghead:

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Re: No epitaph.....not yet *^)
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2008, 06:58:00 PM »
Well, I will say this much George...

While I don't agree with ya' in entirety, it's hard to NOT respect a man who stands up for his choice of arrow like that. Kudos to ya'.
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