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Offline woodystyle777

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Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« on: December 09, 2013, 05:26:00 PM »
I've seen a lot of video's on Youtube of people using a $40 Veritas 3/8ths dowel cutter.

link to product:  http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/pag...180,42288&ap=1

The problem I have with this is that all the field points i've found are always in traditional arrow sizes like 5/16, 9/32, and 11/32. So I'm wondering what these people are doing for the tips of the arrows (they never show past the cutting of the shaft).

The same company offers arrow making inserts that come in the traditional sizes but then your looking at a minimum of $240

Could 3/8ths shafts work for making completed arrows? If so where can you get the field points that fit 3/8ths?

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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2013, 05:52:00 PM »
I take mine down to 23/64ths to 11/32 in the sanding process.
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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2013, 06:16:00 PM »
just with a piece of sandpaper in your hand and going over it? How accurate would you say that is as far as diameter consistency down the entire shaft?

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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2013, 06:58:00 PM »
When I made mine I tapered the back to 5/16 and the front to 11/16.
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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2013, 09:48:00 AM »
woodystyle never mind diameter consistency.  sand the ends down to fit your nocks and points, then sand the middle to hit your spine.

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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2013, 10:37:00 AM »
Considering that each one will have to have the spine adjusted by hand sanding, and the weight adjusted likely as well, it might not be much faster using the dowel maker than just using an arrow plane. You could build one for near nothing if you have soem scrap lying around and a little thumb plane.

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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2013, 02:28:00 PM »
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Originally posted by woodystyle777:
just with a piece of sandpaper in your hand and going over it? How accurate would you say that is as far as diameter consistency down the entire shaft?
No, I left out a lot of detail and I apologize for that.  I use a v block with sandpaper in the v.  I hold it down into the V with a flat piece of wood with sandpaper glued to it.  By sanding the entire shaft until the flat sanding block no longer cuts anywhere along the shaft, I arrive at an even diameter for the length of the shaft.

The V block is made with a base and two top blocks with 45 degree angles planed or cut into them and the angles butted up against each other.  The V blocks are adjustable by screwing them to the base block at varying separations.

I don't spine them at all.  I make up the arrows at full length and start to shoot with 125 field points then adjust point weight, arrow length and centershot to get to a point that they shoot.  However, before maiing any adjustments to the arrow, I try them in all of my bows to see what will be the best starting point.  I always arrive at a combo that shoots well using this method.

Board selection is crucial.  I suggest a straight fine grained doug fir board for starters.

Also, the doweler comes with some instructions on setting up that will not be adequate, IMO.  You need an infeed guide that is the same diameter as your corner to corner dimension on your blank.  That needs to be set up centered on the infeed of the doweler and very close.  An inch or less.  Then, there needs to be a series of outfeed guides that are just a bit larger than the finished shaft.  The first right at the exit and then a series of them about eight inches apart.  My set up has three outfeed guides and I'm going to add another.

The guides are important because the shaft will tend to whip as you run it through.  Some of that whip can transfer down the shaft right to the cutting edge of the doweler.  Variations in whip will cause variations in diameter.  I like to have a helper at the outfeed end wearing a pair of heavy work gloves and holding the shaft very gently between palm and thumbs to cut down on vibration.

I have cut 72" atlatl darts from teak blanks without any infeed or outfeed guides with fair success by having the helper on hand.  

That brings me to the next caveat.  The harder the wood the less likely that you will get variations in diameter as per the teak above.

Some other factors that are important.

A sharp blade is essential

The more rpms the better.  Using your portable screw gun is not the best way to go.  Use a high rpm corded drill.

Once you start, don't stop or change rpms.  It will result in variations in diameter.  This is another good reason to have a helper to make the shaft go straight into the outfeed guides without any stoppage or slow down.

This is a fun exercise and is also an economy measure if you get a good set of shafts that match at least one bow when the project is done.  Otherwise, it is better to spring for a good set of matched shafts that are spined closely and weighed to within a few grains.

If I can be of any further help, just let me know.
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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2013, 02:31:00 PM »
One final note!  Ben is correct about the hand planing.  I can plane a blank and sand it in my V blocks to a ready to build point in about ten minutes.  If you are not sure you want to get into making arrow shafts, do the plane method first just to try it on.
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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2013, 03:37:00 PM »
awesome info guys! ill have to try the plane method.  There is so much more to this than you think. Thanks again.

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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2013, 04:02:00 PM »
You can buy a small thumb plane from ACE Hardware for $10 or so. That is what I've used for arrows.
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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2013, 07:52:00 PM »
I used those, they work good.  I like to use poplar wood to make shafts with the dowel maker.
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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2013, 09:02:00 PM »
I have used the dowel cutter with pretty good success. I try to find the best poplar boards from either of the 'big' stores, which often have poplar in 4ft x 8" x 3/8.  I then rip the board into 3/8th x 3/8th sticks.  I use a 3/8 deep socket in a corded drill.  I also mounted the Varitas cutter to a 4ft board, and made some guides for it to feed into.  Consistent feed speed is helpful. I run it all the through to the end of the socket, then attach a cordless drill in reverse to 'pull' the last inch or so through the cutter.
I have made some nice arrows out of pine and poplar, and am currently working on some sweet birch.  I sand similar to Montery with a v-block, and just hold the block with teh sandpaper, with the shaft in the drill and just sand it up and down with the drill running.  I don't make my arrows super finished, and they will end breaking at some point and have learned to just enjoy them.  
Good luck and have fun.  It is rewarding to shoot the arrows made from scratch.  If I can get the photobucket to work I will add a picture or two as pictures are easier to understand I think.
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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2013, 10:38:00 PM »
I do just about the same as chuprinch.When I first started I was cutting 1/2" square blanks but then went to the 3/8" square blanks and the 3/8"socket extension in mt drill.It is a world of difference in cutting those 3/8" blanks than the 1/2" blanks.Much much easier.I will chuck my dowel up in my drill and use 60 grit paper and bring it down close to my desired spine.Then put on tip and nock and start shooting bare shaft and sand till I get them flying strait .Then I will lacquer the shafts.Then bare shaft shoot them again.The lacquer will stiffen the spine on them so bare shafting again is needed.After they are bare shafted and lacquered then its time to fletch and check them by paper tuning.II have tried pine,spruce and west coast cedar.I like spruce the best but in a light bow and a 26" arrow the west coast cedar is nice but its brittle and a little scary in something like a 55# bow.Now I wish I had of picked out lots of good spruce when my brother owned a lumber yard.

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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2013, 11:21:00 PM »
I have not tried the 3/8" stock in the Veritas.  Am going to try it next time around.  Always have started at 3/8" when using the plane method though.

I see many posts praising the poplar and it may be time to give it another try.  I tried poplar once with the plane method but the blanks when released form the board were all crazy warped and misshapern.  Sort of soured me on poplar but maybe time to revisit.
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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2013, 11:42:00 PM »
i love the info BUT there is so much info i cant figure out what one to use..it seems i have to buy this thing or that thing until some thing work..LOL..for now i am going to try the thumb plane and sand paper..if that dont work i will give the dowel cutter a try...

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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2013, 05:32:00 AM »
Hello Everybody!
I have a question, a little bit offtopic, but maybe someone can help to solve this. How can I get the shafts down from 3/8" to 11/32" od 5/16" parallel shafts?
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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2013, 02:02:00 PM »
I just went out under the shed and cut a few dowels.My 1/2" drill quit on me so I trimmed the ends on the 3/8" blanks and chucked them up.I was wanting to find an 1/4" adapter to 3/8" that I could chuck up in my drill to run these through but money short right now so I just chucked them up.It worked so good I am not going to even try to find an adapter.Here is a raw blank,a just cut shaft and one of my finished arrows.Things I would do is to make the cutter board longer with more guides.When making a board I drilled the guide holes just a hair bigger than 3/8" and used a 3/8 rod to align them up when I set them all up.I hope my pic works since its been a long time since I have posted on I hope I got it right.

 

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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2013, 04:51:00 PM »
Mine looks nearly identical to that except for the infeed guide.  Nice as your shafts look, maybe it is not needed?

Also makes a nice supply of tinder!
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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2013, 08:21:00 PM »
My friend and I found this video on youtube of a guy showing how to create a dowel cutter from a single piece of 1/4 steel.

Link:  http://www.ibuildit.ca/Workshop%20Projects/Jigs/dowel-maker-1.html

We tried it today at work, however we could only get so much cut on the stick before it would break.

How do you post pictures on here? I can show you the wood we used and the outcome.

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Re: Veritas Dowel Cutter to make wooden arrow shafts
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2013, 08:38:00 PM »
Put your photos in photobucket and then link them to your post.
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