Wensel Woodmans VS THE BLOCK

[Biggie Hoffman]

Howler, the tips are needle like...you can't touch one with your finger and not draw blood. It's one of them personal preference things I guess.

Rocky old buddy, ya gotta stick up for you "kids" the Woodsman was our baby :-)

Gene Hall is on here!
You guys always talk about legends of bowhunting, there's one for ya right there!

[alligatordond]

Well I can't get one quite as sharp as I can my Zwickey's or Magnus heads. But if I draw a Woodsman across my thumb ,I'll be headed to get stitches so I guess they get plenty sharp enough. Can't imagine what one would do to me at 160 fps.

Just mounted a dozen on my wood shafts. Even though deer season is over I hafta come down slow or I'll get the DT's. Thank God for rabbits and Osceola's(Don don't do hogs)

[Arraflinger]

I've used the Woodsman now for quite a few years and have taken my share of deer with them. I've NEVER had a point curl on me. I don't clip the point ,but I do file the very point to a lesser angle. Also alot of folks say they're hard to sharpen. I carry a 12" mill file a fine diamond 'stone' and a piece of leather glued to a 2" by 6"by 1" thick piece of wood. I can get a Woodsman hair popping sharp in about 3 minutes
            Wayne

[Bowmania]

The tip of a Woodsman is not the problem, it's the WIDTH.  There is none.  One inch, my %$&*, yea they go through tomatoes, but they don't leak after.

Biggie, you and the Wensels could have both stood on a blade, pushing it out farther on the other side.  Then you'd have a hell of a head for whitetails. LOL!!!!!!!

Bowmania

PS Somebody can always find fault with any thing.  And that's easy for me because I don't have my name on anything.  My real opinion is that for moose or brown bears, griz you can't find a better head, but for whitetail size game I want a bigger hole.  The difference in accuracy between a 160 gr Snuffter and a Woodsman at 20 yards is non existant.

[Biggie Hoffman]

hah!
Well, the idea started out as a 3 to 1 ratio. It didn't end up that way but that was the premise. To make it wider would have been to make another snuffer.

[Roger Norris]

Seriously, you guys that can get a Woodsman "hair popping sharp" in 3 minutes...or any length of time for that matter, using a file, are waaaay better sharpeners than I am. I like the design of the Woodsman; I wanted to use them BAD, but I have never seen one quite sharp enough.

[doctorbrady]

Roger,
I am no broahead sharpening wiz, but the WW are SIMPLE to sharpen.  Drag them flat across a steel file or coarse diamond stone, then move to a fine stone, and finally to a piece of leather.  I use my armguard.  Just make sure you get the same number of strokes on each side and apply lighter pressure with each rotation.  There is no angle to worry about because you just lie them flat.  They will pop hairs all day long!
I can't shoot a WW without taking down the tip though, and now I know it's Biggie's fault (not like I'm gonna do anything about it    ).  I have turned more than one point over in critters and out.  The needle tip IS sharp, but it won't hold up to anything hard.  Tapered down, though, it is a mean bugger!!!

[Frank AK]

i taper the tip down just a wee bit. But I have been turned into a 160 and 145 gr snuffer man. No tip filing needed on those bad boys.

[Seeking Trad Deer]

Just pull the Woodsman across the belt grinder and you have it sharp.  Was a good article in PBS magazine about a  year ago on that method.

I am going to try them on one of my bows next year.  I haven't yet because they have curled so easily for me when shooting into my targets.  Mr. Asby recorded similar problems in penetration with tip curls on WW heads but that was bigger game.  I plan to snip the point as penetration won't be a problem at 12+ grains per pound of draw weight.

[katman]

Filing down the tip at a steeper angle has strenghened the point that I could not get it to curl on trees, storage buildings, plywood, roots, deer shoulders, deer and pig spines and anything else I hit, of course I was testing out the head, that is my story and I am sticking to it.

[N. Rolling Fork]

I made the mistake of not fileing the tip,     on the package it said it did'nt have to be done but i should have known better. on all my previous heads i did so, I center punched the humerous bone on a buck and the tip of the ww looked like a elf shoe, i made a fixture to process the tip and they are very strong now.

[J-dog]

Can anyone show how they file the tip?? is there any pics. This is the one reason I do not use this head. Love the looks of it but having to cut the tip??? I know they are a good head, no question there. Just would like to see how to cut and file the tip.

Thanks,


Jason

[katman]

No cutting required, just take a file and stroke with steeper angle than the one there, makes the tip look more pyramidal vs needle, it is VERY easy to do.

[Terry Green]

J-dog,

Here ya go......the 2nd clip will show you....

   Sharpening the WW by Charlie Lamb

[Biggie Hoffman]

It's been said a hunnert times. It's a personal issue as is with most bowhunting things.
It's psychological for me. If I touch the tip and it doesn't draw a speck of blood, I put it in the rabbit arrow pile.
When I run out of sticker thingys to check my blood sugar, I use a needle point woodsman. no pain and a good sized blood sample :-0

[Seeking Trad Deer]

Thanks for posting that tutorial Terry.  Seeing how the tip is done helped me understand.  I'll try a pyramid instead of snipping it.  A picture is worth a thousand words....thanks for the picture  

[Guru]

Biggie, you're too much bud    

 I've used them both ways with success....usually after the needle point get ruined,I pyramid the tip.....The only tip I've rolled on one was after a pass thru that smashed a rock!

[J-dog]

Thanks Terry,

Pic is worth more than words, I saved them to the puter. Ordering a pack a WWs before the day is out.

Jason

[Roger Norris]

OK..I have been following this thread right along, and have worked on a Woodsman as we have been posting here, it's sitting here on my desk. I followed all of the instructions (that video was awesome), and yes, this Woodsman is sharp enough to hunt with. It's an awesome head, well made, well thought out.

Here's my problem...12" files, belt sanders, honing stones? I can take a 6" Grobet file and put it in my pocket...sharpen a 2 blade Magnus (or any 2 blade head) ANYWHERE. I shoot my broadheads all the time during hunting season. 90 seconds with a small file and they are scary again. There is nothing wrong with a Woodsman head. They just aren't for me...although I think I may try one on a turkey this year.

I spent a lot of time years ago FORCING myself to learn to make a head scary sharp, the simplest way possible. I suppose I just can't be re-trained.

[southpawshooter]

Sharpening woodsman's scary sharp is very easy in the field.  I have used the cheap Norton dual sided stones, about $6 at Home Depot.  The stone will fit in your pocket easily enough.

I also like these:

     

   3 Sided Jewelstik

The jewelstick will sharpen anything you through  at it in short order, so you can sharpen your knives, etc. in the field real quick and easy.  I would not try to sharpen any of my knives with a file, so the right tool gives you more usage.

A WW shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to get as sharp as any 2 blade right from the package.  Touchups are only a minute or two.