I'm Fred's dad , we had a great time ! No problem with the dogs as the birds we hit went right through . With flu-flus and orange and white fletching we didn't loose an arrow . Just like gun hunting when a bird is flushed you don't know where it's going . If he cuts back or flies too low you pass on the shot . After spending most of my time stalking or tree stand sitting , both of which require slow movements and long hours sitting still , this was a fun hunt as you just walk around , watch the dogs , tell war stories , and shoot at birds . My Son put me to shame as he broke the wing of a nice pheasant and later shot a chucker in the back of the head dropping it like Curt Gowdy on the "American Sportsman " used to with his smoke pole . I went without any idea that we would hit anything . The misses were so close it was worth going just for that . We did manage to hit 3 birds and when we dressed them out last night another pheasant had a 3" slit up his breast which one of us must have hit . We had a buddy backing us up with a gun and when the birds showed no signs of being hit he would dump them . If our arrows had a pattern the size of a shotgun we wouldn't have missed a bird.It was more fun than the law allows , I encourage everyone to try it . No pressure if you miss and fantastic when you hit . My son is home working on the pics , hopefully he gets them up tonight , Fred